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Pakistan Lost Its Chance For Security

Exactly.Manipulation of mind and opinion is what US has been doing for the past 10 years.Consequently the Afghan opinion towards Pakistan has become very negative.

Well, propoganda is usually a part of every war. The point I was trying to make is that a nation which has been traditionally a Pakistani ally for most of its history, even if only to serve its own interests could have helped Pakistan reign in the tribelands in exchange for support in the war. Unfortunately what has happened is completely opposite. Not blaming you as a nation, just the decision making ability of your leaders at the time.
 
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I don't know why everyone is excited about "withdrawal" from afghaneristan----the US said it will not abandon it---it is already going t to be there till 2024 per reports---it is till in japan after 67 years (1945-2012)......so stop dreaming and accept your fates.....
 
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While many Americans, including several prominent politicians and candidates for high offices, as well as journalists, have heard about FATA, their knowledge appears to be very sketchy and completely inadequate for formulating policy toward Pakistan.

Even the "experts" and Washington think tanks do not fully understand or appreciate the consequences of FATA incursions by the US military.

FATA won't change by military force on a schedule imposed by outsiders. But it is gradually changing with increasing economic, political and social development....it'll probably take decades to become obvious to outsiders.

Haq's Musings: Pakistan's FATA Face Off Fears
 
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what a rubbish analysis.. the only reason Pakistan is insecure now a days is only because of US and NATO's presence in the region.. there was no suicide attacks and bomb blast prior to 9/11 ..
 
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its only pakistan is playing games? lolz every party is playing but when they lose their game they blame and bash pakistan lolz
Let's do a thought experiment and consider what would have happened in WWII had the British adopted current Pakistani attitudes:

Instead of a combined military command with the Americans there would have been two separate ones;
Instead of one gigantic invasion of France there would have been two much smaller ones, later in the war, as no American troops would have been allowed to be stationed in Britain;
Instead of allowing their traditional enemy, the French, to form an independent government under De Gaulle Britain would have insisted on a satellite government, hogtying the Americans to do so;
Instead of partnering with the Russians to defeat the Nazis the British would have employed balance-of-power to reach an accommodation that would certainly allow the Nazis free to kill and pillage everywhere as Russia suffered;
Instead of cracking down on local racists the Brits would, as part of the accommodation with Nazi Germany, allow them to establish themselves firmly as Fifth Columnists in the military and police forces, so that law and order would decay into extremism.

Yes, it's just Pakistan "playing games". How much better off would Pakistan be if it hadn't? You only have a few weeks, imo, until it's too late to reverse course.
 
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Pakistan Lost Its Chance For Security


WASHINGTON -- As America begins to pull back its troops from Afghanistan, there's one consequence that gets little notice but is likely to have lasting impact: Pakistan is losing the best chance in its history to gain political control over all of its territory -- including the warlike tribal areas along the frontier.

Pakistan has squandered the opportunity presented by having a large U.S.-led army just over the border in Afghanistan. Rather than work with the U.S. to stabilize a lawless sanctuary full of warlords and terrorists, the Pakistanis decided to play games with these outlaw groups. As a result, Pakistan and its neighbors will be less secure, probably for decades.


This is a catastrophic mistake for Pakistan. Instead of drawing the tribal areas into a nation that finally, for the first time since independence in 1947, could be integrated and unified, the Pakistani military decided to keep the ethnic pot boiling. It was a triumph of short-term thinking over long; of scheming over strategy.

America has made many blunders in Afghanistan, which will have their own consequences. But U.S. problems are modest compared to those of Pakistan, which nearly 65 years after independence still doesn't have existential security as a nation. Like most big mistakes people make in life, this is one that Pakistan's military leaders made with their eyes wide open.

The G-8 and NATO will hold summit meetings in the coming days, and announce the exit strategy from Afghanistan. Fortunately, President Obama is planning a gradual transition, with at least 20,000 U.S. troops remaining until 2024, if necessary, to train the Afghan army, hunt al-Qaeda and steady Afghans against the danger of civil war.

But what can Western leaders say when it comes to Pakistan? Basically, the Pakistanis blew it. By playing a hedging game, they missed a moment that's not likely to return, when a big Western army of well over 100,0000 soldiers was prepared to help them. Instead, Islamabad used the inevitability that America would be leaving eventually as an argument for creating a buffer zone that was inhabited by a murderous mélange of the Taliban, the Haqqani network and other Pashtun warlords.

Yes, it would have been hard to bring under Pakistani law the rebellious badlands known as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. I have a shelf full of books describing how the process of pacification eluded the British raj and was gingerly handed over to the new government of Pakistan like a bag of snakes. But hard is not impossible -- especially when you have modern communications and transport, and the most potent army in history ready to help.

What comes through reading these old books is how long the problem has persisted. A 1901 British "Report on Waziristan and Its Tribes" lists the tribes, clans and sub-clans the British were paying off more than a century ago through their political agents rather than risk a fight with these stubborn warriors. After their disastrous Afghan wars, the British decided that payoffs made more sense than shoot-outs -- a decision the Pakistanis have repeated ever since at the price of permanent insecurity.

The notion of the tribal areas as a warrior kingdom impenetrable to outsiders has a romantic "Orientalist" tone. I was disabused of it in 2009 when I met a group of younger tribal leaders who had gathered in Islamabad to tell U.S. special envoy Richard Holbrooke that the region needed economic development, good governance and less hanky-panky from the central government. In a move that embodied everything that's wrong with the Pakistani approach, these brave young men were intercepted on the way home by the Inter-Services Intelligence and quizzed about why they had dared talk to the farangi.

Surely the most foolish move the Pakistanis made was to compromise with the terrorist Haqqani network, which operates from its base in Miran Shah, a few hundred yards from a Pakistani military garrison. This was like playing with a venomous cobra -- something the Pakistanis seem to imagine is an essential part of regional realpolitik. No, you kill a cobra. If the ISI had been up to the task, it would have had some formidable snake-killing allies.

The Pakistanis lost a chance over the past decade to build and secure their country. It won't come back again in this form. That's a small problem for the U.S. and its allies, but a big problem for Pakistan. What a shame to see a wonderful nation miss its moment so completely.
RealClearPolitics - Pakistan Lost Its Chance For Security


Now let me tell you the reality,

Once NATO leaves Afghanistan, India is F***ed there.
 
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Now let me tell you the reality, Once NATO leaves Afghanistan, India is F***ed there.
No, once NATO leaves there will be nothing holding back the Afghan gov't from partnering with Pushtuns to invade and conquer, or at least annoy, parts of Pakistan. Do you think the Americans you've so maltreated are going to help Pakistan with either military operations or resupply?

And if Pakistan shifts forces from the India border to deal with northern invaders, it will be a political defeat for the military whether or not India invades, is that not so? For if India does invade that will be accounted a failure of the Pakistani military, and if it doesn't then what were so many troops needed at the border for if India, demonstrably, had no hostile intent there?

And if Afghanistan doesn't invade to eliminate terrorists Pakistan has no intention of dealing with then violence throughout Pakistan may continue to grow worse, yes?

Think about these things a bit and you may start to realize that by leaving Afghanistan it isn't the Americans who will be suffering defeat. It's Pakistan and the Pakistani Army that will be under increased threat, both politically and militarily.
 
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Did anyone expect anything else from this NRO government..........

Here is a clip from our PM to see first....... Justice Khosa was absolutely correct when he said in his verdict that the PM was a dishonest man....


I feeling like crying when I see this lady below

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Did anyone expect anything else from this NRO government......
Can't blame the NRO. The negative attitude of Pakistan was assured the moment it decided not to establish a joint command with Coalition forces along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. From there everything else naturally follows.
 
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Can't blame the NRO. The negative attitude of Pakistan was assured the moment it decided not to establish a joint command with Coalition forces along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. From there everything else naturally follows.
why dosent america gives drone and civil nuclear technology to Pakistan...when it denied we found out american evil and negative attitude...so we decided to go our on way......what makes u think Pakistan will trust a zionist funded/run banana republic of america?which has nuked civilians not once but twice.:agree:
 
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its only pakistan is playing games? lolz every party is playing but when they lose their game they blame and bash pakistan lolz

Do you understand that by not acting against the Taliban it is only Pakistan that is losing the long term game and the very existence of Pakistan along lines of Jinnah is threatened
 
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Yes, we looove to nuke innocent saintly nations....something to keep in mind....
 
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