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U.S. envoy: Pakistan not a failed state

WASHINGTON - Pakistan is not a failed state but its government is facing tremendous challenges and needs U.S. help to counter Taliban advances, the Obama administration's point man for the region said Tuesday.

Richard Holbrooke, the U.S. special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, told a congressional committee that Pakistan's survival as a moderate, democratic state is critical to U.S. national security.

"Our most vital national security interests are at stake," Holbrooke told the House Foreign Affairs Committee. He said that although Pakistan "is a state under enormous social, political and economic pressures," it "is not a failed state."
Holbrooke was testifying ahead of meetings this week between President Barack Obama and the leaders of Afghanistan and Pakistan during which the administration will press the Pakistanis on combating extremists.

Congress considers aid

Congress is considering a major boost in nonmilitary assistance to Pakistan — $1.5 billion per year over five years — and Holbrooke said success there is key to America's escalating military operation in Afghanistan.

"We need to put the most heavy possible pressure on our friends in Pakistan to join us in the fight against the Taliban and its allies," he said. "We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without Pakistan's support and involvement."

Speaking separately at a Washington think tank, Afghan President Hamid Karzai made a similar point. He said the key to the Taliban's resurgence in recent years is its havens across the border in Pakistan.

"The return of the Taliban is because we did not address the question of sanctuaries in time," Karzai said during a question-and-answer session with an audience of policy experts at the Brookings Institution.

Holbrooke played down suggestions that the administration is backing away from Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari in favor of opposition leader Nawaz Sharif. He praised Zardari for taking politically difficult stands by trying to work with Washington.

"We have not distanced ourselves from President Zardari," he said. "We have the highest strategic interests in supporting this government."

He compared U.S. relations with Sharif to contacts that American officials have with opposition leaders in other countries.

Several lawmakers questioned Holbrooke on Zardari's ability to control his country, with Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y., saying "Pakistan's pants are on fire." Holbrooke urged Ackerman and others to speak with Zardari about their concerns while he is in Washington.

Concern about nuclear arsenal

Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will hold two sets of meetings on Wednesday with Zardari and Karzai. Holbrooke said the talks, which will continue at a lower level on Thursday, will be historically important.

Clinton will meet with Zardari and Karzai and their delegations separately at the State Department before bringing them together there. Later, at the White House, Obama will follow the same pattern in talks with the two leaders, according to Holbrooke.

In the meetings, the administration will be seeking assurances that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is safe and that its military intends to face down Taliban and al-Qaida extremists in coordination with Afghanistan and the United States.

Holbrooke declined to address the nuclear issue in open testimony, but other officials have said that while they believe Pakistan's nuclear weapons are secure for the moment, there is acute concern that militants might try to seize one or several of them.

Those anxieties have heightened amid the Taliban's recent advances and Americans worry about the commitment from Pakistan's government and military in battling the extremists, the officials said.

U.S. officials have also expressed concern that Pakistan's military and civilian leaders still regard traditional rival India as the greatest threat to their country and do not appreciate the dangers of rising Taliban and al-Qaida influence in their backyard.

"There is a real and present danger to Pakistan's survival but it comes from inside and not outside the country," Holbrooke said.

U.S. envoy: Pakistan not a failed state - Pakistan - msnbc.com

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Nicholas Platt: Pakistan 'Not A Failed State'

HOUSTON, March 3, 2010 - Misgoverned by a squabbling and immature political class and threatened by an Islamic insurgency, Pakistan is a nation fraught with problems. Nevertheless, this key U.S. partner in the war in Afghanistan will "muddle through," says Nicholas Platt, former ambassador to Islamabad. "Pakistan is not a failed or even a failing state."

Platt, who enjoyed a long career as a senior diplomat in the State Department and later served as president of Asia Society in New York, delivered his cautiously optimistic assessment of prospects for stability in Pakistan in a speech before a luncheon audience of 130 hosted by Asia Society Texas Center. He appeared as part of ASTC's Wells Fargo Speaker Series on South Asia.

Platt took issue with shrill media descriptions of Pakistan as "the most dangerous nation on earth" and a country "sliding toward the abyss."

While the Taliban insurgency in the Northwest remains the greatest threat to stability, Pakistan's demographic complexity works in its favor. The country's distinct ethnic/tribal groups are "fiercely territorial and politically well-organized," Platt said. He called the idea that the Balochs or Punjabis or Sindhis will bow to the will of the Pashtun-dominated Taliban "outlandish." "The tribal compartments of Pakistan will keep the ship from sinking, even though it may list from time to time," he said.

Moreover, the army remains "the glue of the nation" and will fight if convinced the Taliban truly threatens the central government, he said. And after running the country off and on since its founding, the military now seems content to leave the job to civilians. Unfortunately, Platt said, the civilian political and economic leadership hasn't been up to the task.

"The ruling feudal, tribal, religious, and business elites have traditionally paid little attention to the needs of the ordinary people of Pakistan, and are now, as usual, more concerned with each other's power, and less with public responsibilities," he said. "They, and not the Taliban, are the most serious threat to the long-term stability of the Pakistani state."

Historically, U.S. policy toward Pakistan has alternated between close cooperation and passive indifference, Platt said. He approved of the current policy, which recognizes Pakistan's importance to U.S. security and recognizes the need for steady engagement with the country.

Platt offered one somewhat surprising suggestion for those wanting to know more about Pakistan. He recalled that before his 1991 posting he asked experts if there was one book he absolutely had to read to prepare himself.

The unanimous answer: Kim by Rudyard Kipling. Platt's answer to that: "You've got to be kidding." But it proved a revelation.

"I read Kim and never regretted it," he told his Houston audience. "The book gave me a feel for the deadly, conspiratorial politics and sweeping geography of the place that is still authentic."

Reported by Fritz Lanham, Asia Society Texas Center

Nicholas Platt: Pakistan 'Not A Failed State' | Asia Society
 
here is from wikileaks and its official :D
Not A Failed State
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¶8. (C) This is not a failed state. Pakistan has solid albeit weak institutions, a robust if often irresponsible media, established although under-equipped police forces, an increasingly strong civil society, and a population with a proven resiliency to withstand everything from earthquakes to kleptocracy. However, Zardari is more adept at political maneuvering than governing; we believe he is spending too much time on his rivalry with Nawaz and too little time on rolling back a spreading insurgency and improving a weak economy.

¶9. (C) Although we do not believe Pakistan is a failed state, we nonetheless recognize that the challenges it confronts are dire. The government is losing more and more territory every day to foreign and domestic militant groups; deteriorating law and order in turn is undermining economic recovery. The bureaucracy is settling into third-world mediocrity, as demonstrated by some corruption and a limited capacity to implement or articulate policy.
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Guys, we don't need any form of certification from any quarters to confirm our standings. Agreed Pakistan has been on a roller coaster for most of it's history, it suffered both man made and natural clamaties, fought wars with a much larger enemy, currently it's in the grip of terrorism, but hell it's also the front line state against this menace, it's one of the largest contributor to the UN Missions. Has one of the professionally best armed forces in the world, despite all shortcomings, it's one of the few countries to produce it's own Tanks, aircrafts and Submarines with a progressive missile programme and above all it's the sole nuclear power of Islam.
 
Failed States List 2010

177 states were included in the list, of which 37 were classified as "alert", 92 as "warning", 35 as "moderate", 13 as "sustainable". The worst 20 states are shown below.


1. Somalia (0)
2. Chad (+2)
3. Sudan (0)
4. Zimbabwe (-2)
5. Democratic Republic of the Congo (0)
6. Afghanistan (+1)
7. Iraq (-1)
8. Central African Republic (0)
9. Guinea (0)
10. Pakistan (0)
11. Haiti (+1)
12. Côte d'Ivoire (-1)
13. Kenya (+1)
14. Nigeria (+1)
15. Yemen (+4)
16. Burma (-3)
17. Ethiopia (-1)
18. Timor-Leste (+2)
19. North Korea (-2)
19. Niger (+4)

If guinea, somalia, sudan are failed states, then Pakistan too is...
 
I concur. Pakistan is one of the most, if not the most resilient country in the world by the grace of the Almighty.

The reason for this is because the Pakistani public, despite their differences at cosmetic level, believe that Pakistan has been created for a purpose which has not been attained yet.

Despite all the bad press Islamization gets in the press, in the end the public puts its faith in the Almighty and hopes and works to better things (even if its at a snail's pace, its still progress).

If Pakistan got a sustained decade of stability, we can turn things around drastically. The people are amazing, industrious, hardworking and resilient. Leadership is the exact opposite owing to the select class that keeps on churning them out leaving common people out.

I have been reading about Pakistan's demise for the past many decades and every time I read them now, I just say to myself "what in the hell do these clowns know.."...
 
Failed States List 2010

177 states were included in the list, of which 37 were classified as "alert", 92 as "warning", 35 as "moderate", 13 as "sustainable". The worst 20 states are shown below.


1. Somalia (0)
2. Chad (+2)
3. Sudan (0)
4. Zimbabwe (-2)
5. Democratic Republic of the Congo (0)
6. Afghanistan (+1)
7. Iraq (-1)
8. Central African Republic (0)
9. Guinea (0)
10. Pakistan (0)
11. Haiti (+1)
12. Côte d'Ivoire (-1)
13. Kenya (+1)
14. Nigeria (+1)
15. Yemen (+4)
16. Burma (-3)
17. Ethiopia (-1)
18. Timor-Leste (+2)
19. North Korea (-2)
19. Niger (+4)

If guinea, somalia, sudan are failed states, then Pakistan too is...

Thanks for doing what indians do best: troll :cheers:
 
Failed States List 2010

177 states were included in the list, of which 37 were classified as "alert", 92 as "warning", 35 as "moderate", 13 as "sustainable". The worst 20 states are shown below.


1. Somalia (0)
2. Chad (+2)
3. Sudan (0)
4. Zimbabwe (-2)
5. Democratic Republic of the Congo (0)
6. Afghanistan (+1)
7. Iraq (-1)
8. Central African Republic (0)
9. Guinea (0)
10. Pakistan (0)
11. Haiti (+1)
12. Côte d'Ivoire (-1)
13. Kenya (+1)
14. Nigeria (+1)
15. Yemen (+4)
16. Burma (-3)
17. Ethiopia (-1)
18. Timor-Leste (+2)
19. North Korea (-2)
19. Niger (+4)

If guinea, somalia, sudan are failed states, then Pakistan too is...

Everything in Pakistan functions...albeit in many cases less than optimally. This is something you cannot say for 2/3 of the list above. Pakistan's challenges are because of the war in Afghanistan which is causing extensive challenges to the government because much of the funding is going into internal security and not on public development.

In terms of what works, it works better than most countries in South Asia.
 
Failed States List 2010

177 states were included in the list, of which 37 were classified as "alert", 92 as "warning", 35 as "moderate", 13 as "sustainable". The worst 20 states are shown below.


1. Somalia (0)
2. Chad (+2)
3. Sudan (0)
4. Zimbabwe (-2)
5. Democratic Republic of the Congo (0)
6. Afghanistan (+1)
7. Iraq (-1)
8. Central African Republic (0)
9. Guinea (0)
10. Pakistan (0)
11. Haiti (+1)
12. Côte d'Ivoire (-1)
13. Kenya (+1)
14. Nigeria (+1)
15. Yemen (+4)
16. Burma (-3)
17. Ethiopia (-1)
18. Timor-Leste (+2)
19. North Korea (-2)
19. Niger (+4)

If guinea, somalia, sudan are failed states, then Pakistan too is...

Numbers made by some guy sitting behind a desk doesn't mean anything.

When India looks like this:

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You shouldn't be talking.
 
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A thought provoking reality if not an awesome detail by B-2

The fact is the American Think Tanks, who were predicting an imminent implosion of Pakistan, after repeatedly resetting have ultimately relinquished the dooms day clock for our god given and blessed country.
 
If guinea, somalia, sudan are failed states, then Pakistan too is...

Yeah lollzzz.... Keep it up. Some day you might make it to win both awards of this forum. Best false flag award and best troll award.
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I understand it is difficult to digest that some survey is projecting one's country as a failed state.. But also think in retrospect, why many rate pakistan as one...

Everything in this world is perception driven, and I doubt that pakistan has not done a good job at that..
 
Pakistan worse than Haiti?!! Haiti?!

Fact is that most of Pakistan's problems are not some deeply structural. With a few years of relative peace Pakistan was thriving upto 2007. But then came the terrorist attacks.

Fear not fellows: Just like Sri Lanka is bouncing back so will Pakistan. All is needed is PEACE! Even with this corrupt political class--which I think of as a mirror of the society and is not even any worse than its counterparts in other 3rd world countries--Pakistan can and will thrive once peace is restored.
 

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