What's new

Pakistan is home to the most frenetic education reforms in the world - The Economist

That is nothing new. Karachi has had mass migration from 1947 if not even earlier. Most if not 99% of Karachi is of migrant stock. Hundred years ago in 1918 Karachi was a small Sindhi town with British port.

I would have hoped that Karachi with it's economy being reflective of all of Pakistan. It exists because it services all of Pakistani export/import trade from every corner of Pakistan, having every ethnic group, having best education facelities that a national movement would have taken root but surprisingly it has not.

Yes, I agree PTI has neglected Sindh which is going to hurt in next elections.

Actually we can place GB at top of the list. It shows that to fix education is more state of mind then just money. GB has thanks to efforts of Agha Khan been trying hard for decades and the result shows. A lesson for rest of Pakistan. Lesson is basics first. schools, hospitals, law/order, community enterprises to make neighbourhoods better, cleaner places to live in.

Spot on -

  • Cap defence spening.
  • Focus on nuclear posture
  • Two decades of internal jihad ~ education, hospitals, sanitation, housing, law/order

Completely wrong. In order to safeguard nuclear arsenal, you first need a fool proof air defence. In order to ensure its efficacy, you need continuos counter measures against modern BMDs.

If you lack proper air defence, your weapons can be neutralized with a sudden and massive air campaign. And you can't simply buy air defence off the shelf because you are placing your safety in the hands of the seller. You need a deep expertise in electronics. For which you need an educated workforce.

If you follow the trajectory of progress of any successful nation, you will find a very critical time range where its leaders engineered a geopolitical environment of peace and stability, combined with effective policies and their execution.

On paper it seems a lot of progress is being made in Punjab. But are they really delivering education, or are they following some evolved version of East India Company's policy of creating mental slaves? Handing off schools to NGOs makes it possible for enemies to indoctrinate our children according to their own agenda. The result would be a young population that wants to be ruled by foreign powers. As more of them get employed in positions of power, they would be most amenable in facilitating nefarious plans of foreigners.

The priorities of a good education are developing good Muslims who have a strong sense of patriotism, and are armed with critical thought, and independent opinion. Are these objectives being achieved?

According to Dr Shahid Masood, an important measure if a country's stability is the ability of the centre to ensure a uniform level of education, health, and security. With each province taking its own path, we are weakening Pakistan as an entity.
 
.
While that might seem like a logical way to go about it, but sadly it is not practical. We are already lagging behind them in conventional terms, any further decline and we will be inviting an adventure from the enemy. MAD is all good and well as a last resort, but would we be willing to launch nuclear strikes for say a second Siachin or an airstrike on outskirts of Lahore for taking out "Terrorist" hideouts, I don't think we will be.

Keep in mind the sole purpose of Cold Start was not to annex any part of Pakistan, but humiliate us by holding some part of our territory that they think will be below our threshold for launching nukes. So reducing our conventional military power further will give them a chance to humiliate us, make Pak military lose its prestige in eyes of the people and in turn force us to accept their hegemony in the region.
Keeping up the current pace, Pak will fall behind further conventionally. Their economy is growing faster than Pak's. In my opinion if Pak wants to catch up then that's the only way.

The first use shouldn't be a bluff. First up launch NASRs. As soon as any misadventure happens...no warnings, no talks, no negotiations, nothing of that sort. If it's enemy formations rolling in for a Cold Start like operation, use NASR on them. If it's an air strike on the outskirts of Lahore, target their air bases(that are near the border) with low yield(like NASR) longer range missiles and destroy them. The moment this happens the whole world would try to get involved and diffuse the situation to keep it from going into a full blown nuclear war...

And just like how India would think that Pak wouldn't go full nuclear if it's a limited operation...I don't think India would go full nuclear in response to a subkiloton nuclear device like NASR being used. It's all about the threshold...if Pak responds agressively right from the get go, India would back down knowing that Pak means business. It's either we leave Pak alone...or we both get destroyed together...I'm willing to bet they will choose the former.

That is nothing new. Karachi has had mass migration from 1947 if not even earlier. Most if not 99% of Karachi is of migrant stock. Hundred years ago in 1918 Karachi was a small Sindhi town with British port.

I would have hoped that Karachi with it's economy being reflective of all of Pakistan. It exists because it services all of Pakistani export/import trade from every corner of Pakistan, having every ethnic group, having best education facelities that a national movement would have taken root but surprisingly it has not.

Yes, I agree PTI has neglected Sindh which is going to hurt in next elections.

Actually we can place GB at top of the list. It shows that to fix education is more state of mind then just money. GB has thanks to efforts of Agha Khan been trying hard for decades and the result shows. A lesson for rest of Pakistan. Lesson is basics first. schools, hospitals, law/order, community enterprises to make neighbourhoods better, cleaner places to live in.

Spot on -

  • Cap defence spening.
  • Focus on nuclear posture
  • Two decades of internal jihad ~ education, hospitals, sanitation, housing, law/order
I would like to add land and tax reforms in that last bullet point.
 
.
Politics aside, where MQM runs the government, like in the Punjab, literacy is enhanced. For those worrying about Sind, lets realize that like any other economy, the more educated will eventually take up the most jobs. Sifarish etc. will only allow jobs for a small percentage, eventually those in the interior of Sind will realize how the rest of the country is overtaking them. Small to medium sized businesses are opening up due to CPEC activity and these shops will require semi/skilled and educated labor. The PPP government is still running things as if they are in the late 80s and 90s, in 10 years time, those in the interior will come asking questions as to what these incompetents have done for them.

Nailed it. Though the last time I rooted for MQM was in the 1988 elections, MQM, minus the Haramkhor Altaf, is a far better political force than the best of what the feudal PPP can offer. My break from MQM happened when I saw the Hitler-like tendencies in Altaf.

Coming to some of what you say about 'sifarish' (bribes): Yes, indeed, only a small portion of jobs can be acquired through that. The private sector provides many more jobs. And Karachi has changed so much. Back in late 80s when I acquired a Masters' from Karachi University, I had very few job options. But now, my nieces and nephews and cousins' kids, are already working in lucrative jobs and in some cases have job offers while still college students.

Something changed--and changed for the better! So lets ease up on the perennial breast beatings. Trust me, growing in the 70's there was this saying: "The proof of God is that Pakistan still exists". That was another from of the breast beating.
 
.
Keeping up the current pace, Pak will fall behind further conventionally. Their economy is growing faster than Pak's. In my opinion if Pak wants to catch up then that's the only way.

The first use shouldn't be a bluff. First up launch NASRs. As soon as any misadventure happens...no warnings, no talks, no negotiations, nothing of that sort. If it's enemy formations rolling in for a Cold Start like operation, use NASR on them. If it's an air strike on the outskirts of Lahore, target their air bases(that are near the border) with low yield(like NASR) longer range missiles and destroy them. The moment this happens the whole world would try to get involved and diffuse the situation to keep it from going into a full blown nuclear war...

And just like how India would think that Pak wouldn't go full nuclear if it's a limited operation...I don't think India would go full nuclear in response to a subkiloton nuclear device like NASR being used. It's all about the threshold...if Pak responds agressively right from the get go, India would back down knowing that Pak means business. It's either we leave Pak alone...or we both get destroyed together...I'm willing to bet they will choose the former.
Yes we are in catch 22 aren't we, in my understanding slow economic growth is the biggest security threat that we are facing right now. 20 years from now if we keep lagging the way we are, there will be so much disparity between our two states that either we will accept their hegemony or reduce our self to a North Korea type of militaristic state to survive. So on that account, as I said earlier, your proposition sounds logical.

But now wargame what you are proposing. Suppose we reduce our defense budget by half for next 2 decades, this will mean our already lagging air force will not even have sufficient funds to pursue the JF-17 project to its logical end (Block 3 and beyond), so they will be flying legacy planes for next two decades and will not remain an effective fighting force. Ok with the increased investment in education and infrastructure we start seeing a better growth rate in 5-7 years from now.

But then there is a major terrorist attack in India, false flag but through their good offices with important capitals they make the world believe that LET or JM is responsible. They launch an airstrike on Lahore, our airforce is in no position to fight back so they go unpunished. Now taking your suggestion, we launch a low-yield nuclear strike against their airbases, what do you think will be international response to that. Low-yield or not, it will be a nuclear strike, the whole wide world would slap sanctions on us in a minute. What will become of our economic growth then? In best case scenario we will become another Cuba and worst case another North Korea.

So there needs to be a balance between the two, security leads to better economic growth and economic growth provides more funds for security. It is not like we are spending some astronomical percentage of our GDP on our defense, its about 3.4 percent of GDP, Israel spends more than 5 percent of its GDP on defense. Our biggest problem is tax collection, we need to improve it on war footings so that government has more revenue to spend on education, social welfare and infrastructure.
 
.
Politics aside, where MQM runs the government, like in the Punjab, literacy is enhanced. For those worrying about Sind, lets realize that like any other economy, the more educated will eventually take up the most jobs. Sifarish etc. will only allow jobs for a small percentage, eventually those in the interior of Sind will realize how the rest of the country is overtaking them. Small to medium sized businesses are opening up due to CPEC activity and these shops will require semi/skilled and educated labor. The PPP government is still running things as if they are in the late 80s and 90s, in 10 years time, those in the interior will come asking questions as to what these incompetents have done for them.
No that is not going to happen as ppp has suppressed sins his so much that they have even lost power to think... Furthermore, they always keep on giving government jobs and will keep on hiding behind quota system
 
.
Yes we are in catch 22 aren't we, in my understanding slow economic growth is the biggest security threat that we are facing right now. 20 years from now if we keep lagging the way we are, there will be so much disparity between our two states that either we will accept their hegemony or reduce our self to a North Korea type of militaristic state to survive. So on that account, as I said earlier, your proposition sounds logical.

But now wargame what you are proposing. Suppose we reduce our defense budget by half for next 2 decades, this will mean our already lagging air force will not even have sufficient funds to pursue the JF-17 project to its logical end (Block 3 and beyond), so they will be flying legacy planes for next two decades and will not remain an effective fighting force. Ok with the increased investment in education and infrastructure we start seeing a better growth rate in 5-7 years from now.
With a blatant nuclear first use policy there would be no need to maintain a conventional effective fighting force.

But then there is a major terrorist attack in India, false flag but through their good offices with important capitals they make the world believe that LET or JM is responsible. They launch an airstrike on Lahore, our airforce is in no position to fight back so they go unpunished. Now taking your suggestion, we launch a low-yield nuclear strike against their airbases, what do you think will be international response to that. Low-yield or not, it will be a nuclear strike, the whole wide world would slap sanctions on us in a minute. What will become of our economic growth then? In best case scenario we will become another Cuba and worst case another North Korea.
As soon as there is a false flag attack, India will try to build a narrative. Their propaganda machine would be on full blast trying to paint Pak in a bad light and justifying an attack on Pak. This means India wouldn't attack right away. During that time that India will build its own narrative, Pak can build a counter narrative. For example if it's a false flag attack and Pak gets accused by India...Pak can put India on full blast at the UN and offer an investigation by a third party neutral agency like Interpol with full cooperation of Pak. Extending this olive branch while at the same time reminding the world and India what would be the immediate result of any misadventures.

So there needs to be a balance between the two, security leads to better economic growth and economic growth provides more funds for security. It is not like we are spending some astronomical percentage of our GDP on our defense, its about 3.4 percent of GDP, Israel spends more than 5 percent of its GDP on defense. Our biggest problem is tax collection, we need to improve it on war footings so that government has more revenue to spend on education, social welfare and infrastructure.
On defense, Pak spends about 4% of the GDP I think. Israel's comparison here shouldn't apply bcuz Israel gets a ton of aid from the US(military and economic) on top of its own economy. Besides just the aid there's other forms of help that keeps their economy churning...for example the US buys a huge chunk of bullets from Israel even though the US with its huge industrial economy is fully capable of meeting its own needs of bullets. Pak has no such help.

Tax collection is indeed a problem and there needs to be a fix for that. But if u think that would fix some major economic problems right away then I disagree. A majority of Pak population ranges from middle class to poor. Taxing them heavily would be a disaster. It would ruin ppl's lives who are already struggling and there would be major unrest. If somehow it all goes smoothly and u r able to collect tax from the middle class to poor that's still peanuts when compared to the defense budget.

In order to have stable and constant tax revenue, the government would have to close the wealth inequality. If I have to pay tax on $100...5 percent of a $100 is $5...whereas if I have a million dollars and I have to pay 5 percent on that then it comes out to $50,000. So the real revenue would come from taxing the rich and businesses. In Pak's case there's an enormous wealth gap...there's the rich and then the rest of the 90% of population. If u try to get a fair tax system going by having a tiered tax bracket based on wealth in order to not burden the middle class to poor families and trying to close the wealth gap then the rich get upset bcuz they don't wanna pay higher tax percentage compared to others. Let's leave aside the fact that these elites have a huge influence and let's assume the government tries to get them to pay fair taxes...there's nothing that would keep them from just leaving the country with their wealth...the same applies to businesses. As a developing economy Pak is somewhat forced to allow businesses a bunch of tax breaks here and there to make it appealing for businesses to come to Pak or stay here...as opposed to going to other countries like China, India, Bangladesh, etc. This shuts out or greatly reduces the possibility of Pak taxing any businesses heavily...the rich elites either have their assets/money abroad or can shift it abroad if u try to tax them heavily. This just leaves the rest of the average ppl that make up the majority of the population.

No doubt that the tax system needs reforms and the tax net needs to be widened but it is going to be a tricky/lengthy process that is going to take a while to yield a constant flow of income for the state.

As for the sanctions u mentioned...so here are the current options

Stay this path as u r suggesting...
- The gap between India/Pak economy keeps increasing in India's favor

Switch gears and think long term gains by doing what I suggested...
1) If no sanctions
- Initial slow down/halt in Pak's conventional capability but a rapid increase in economic capacity which will eventually allow Pak to build up a massive conventional capability.

2) If sanctions bcuz of the scenario u mentioned
- Pak would not become another North Korea nor Cuba bcuz of inherently different circumstances. Pak can grow enough food to meet domestic demands.
- Pak can utilize CPEC to generate income in case no country wants to do business with Pak in the face of sanctions. China is spending billions on it and wouldn't just stop using that route bcuz of sanctions. China's trade volume is huge...Pak can tax all the goods moving through
- Even in the face of sanctions Pak can continue to get whatever it needs from China at least covertly bcuz China needs Pak to balance India. Despite all of North Korea's shenanigans, China still keeps it afloat just to have South Korea and Japan in check...so at the very least it will do that for Pak as well.
- During sanctions Pak can trade/do business with other countries also under sanction...namely Iran in this case. Iran can fulfill Pak's oil and natural gas needs
- Sanctions aren't permanent. They can be lifted through negotiations.

Iran would be a perfect example to compare in this case. Iran did just fine domestically under severe sanctions. It's ppl are doing well, they are educated, there's better tax net, less wealth gap, etc. The moment sanctions are lifted from Iran it would be able to spend billions to procure weapons from Russia/China...and the west if they r willing to sell to Iran.

In conclusion, my point is to never back down and accept diktat from others. At the current pace, India would become a regional power soon putting Pak at risk of having to accept its hegemony. In comparison, Pak can assert itself now with an aggressive nuclear stance and focus on its economy so that it can keep up in this arm's race with India. This other scenario definitely has a threat of sanctions...but again I would say never accept diktat from others and allow ur sovereignty to be compromised. Even under sanctions Pak would have options.
 
.
But honestly what I can't understand is Urdu speakers from Sind claim to be most educated, urban and progressive. Yet come elections all we see is MQM and PPP. I would expect some clean, decent political movement that is pan-Sind if not pan-Pakistan to come about. But all I see is narrow minded parties that are either terrorists/gangsters with possible RAW connections or corrupt feudals. What gives with people of Sind?

nothing can be done about Sind unless Sindis them self stand up for their rights, as of now they are happy wadera gives them food twice a day.
 
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom