Pakistan, India agree on strict observance of all agreements, ceasefire along LoC: ISPR

[hussain0216]

What retarded self gloating !

You are in FATF grey list ,if you know how to read anything more than smilies this might help.

"Pakistan has been placed in the ‘grey list’ three times in the last 12 years. The FATF last-placed Pakistan on the ‘grey list’ in June 2018 and urged the country to implement a plan of action to curb money laundering and terror financing by the end of 2019.

A note on the FATF website, about the plenary that concluded on February 25, says that since June 2018, Pakistan’s has made significant progress in Countering the Finances of Terrorism (CFT) action plan, including demonstrating that law enforcement agencies are identifying and investigating the widest range of terror funding activity.

The three recommendations are :

Demonstrating that terror funding investigations and prosecutions target persons and entities acting on behalf or at the direction of the designated persons or entities.
Demonstrating that terror funding prosecutions result in effective, proportionate, and dissuasive sanctions.
Demonstrating effective implementation of targeted financial sanctions against all 1267 and 1373 designated terrorists, specifically those acting for or on their behalf."



Agreed the point of partition was Muslim hatred against Hindus not some injustice to muslims some here peddle on a regular basis.

Kashmir is muslim majority now.....may not be in future.

India had unstable govt huge naxalite problem, muslim terrorist groups few years back ...where are they now ? They all are largely resolved.

We didn't concede on anything even then what makes you think we will do anything now ?

Hindutva is ruthless when it comes to national security.

You guys should protect the P. O. K.... if you can.

The hate was everywhere in the subcontinent

Hindus has been dominated for a thousand years, Jinnah understood the mental damage it has caused to the Hindu Psyche

Jinnah understood a united India where everyone was stuck in one large communal shithole was going to be a disaster and partition was the only way

What has been resolved????? Your capital city has burnt in riots two years in a row now

Your media and social media is a cess pool of hate and loathing

Getting everyone stuck is not resolving anything it's trying to keep the lid on mass hatred

The consequences of the mistake of India is playing out before us with first Muslims and now even Sikhs becoming agitated, Christians are already facing accusations



You accused Pakistan of terror funding, it's individual cases of funding that requires regulation

Those regulations are being put in place


The Kashmiri desire for freedom from your communal shithole is not affected nor is support for the communities within India currently under threat

 

[Rollno21]

I find Chinese withdrawal from some of the captured Indian territory had peace at LOC part of the deal. Recalling how India had started giving weather update about Azad Kashmir and were itching for a strike on the CPEC route at minimum. Now the same Indian is approaching Pakistan asking to establish peace without Pakistan doing anything to them yet. That cannot be explained otherwise.

Some reporters in Pakistan are also saying that as part of the deal, India will rollback 5th Aug decision and restore the status of Kashmir as it was.

Knowing India, this may be a trick as well. On the surface before the world, they might pretend they wanted peace but see Pakistan did another "Pulwama".

Guys forget about Aug 5th ,it's done and dusted ,it's not going back .

 

[graphican]

Guys forget about Aug 5th ,it's done and dusted ,it's not going back .

Try to answer: why are Indians approaching Pakistan for a ceasefire after doing air-raids and cross-border shellings? Pakistan is not asking India for this ceasefire, India has approached Pakistan and established a "hot-line". Try to answer why?

 

[313ghazi]

Some of you guys are being over emotional - you need to stop watching the youtube channels for fanboys.

Pakistan military is a pragmatic organisation. In our current political and economic position they are never going to fight a war for Kashmir, unless it's compelled upon them. This has been our position since Musharraf stopped back the Mujahideen in Kashmir. For 20 years we've had this policy. In fact we've only really had a different policy when we've had decisive egotistical military leaders; an aggresive position on Kashmir has been the exception, not the rule.

I don't know why you guys don't think realistically. The fire burns inside us all - but we don't have the leadership to take advantage of it. People think Galwan and this Chinese engagement was an opportunity - thats ridiculous. Both those nations didn't have the courage to escalate beyond sticks and stones. In Delhi and Beijing they were cowering under desks praying for a face saving opportunity to go back. Look at the destruction Pakistan Vs India routine ceasefire violations cause - they couldn't escalate to what we called Eid/Diwali ke patakay.

The only way we will ever militarily take Kashmir is when;

1. We have the financial capability to sustain a long term war.
2. We have the military edge to take Indian territory and keep it for a sustained period of time.
3. We had the military capability to decimate Indian conventional forces and push them into a MAD vs Kashmir settlement scenario.

The above would have to follow an initial sustained irregular war against India in 2 phases. The first phase would be in Kashmir targeting Indian military, local affiliates and non local affiliates (settlers/Sanghis), The second phase would be targeting the Indian military and it's fanboys in mainland India. The aim of such activities would be to bog down their military, lower morale, and make the case for peace - because much like when the TTP targeted us, the war was no longer in foreign mountains, but in our homes. It made the case for action/peace - whatever.

That right now is a pipe-dream we are miles away from it. It could be argued if their military was not so incompetent they're more likely to achieve this than us. Thank God for the enemies mistakes.

We have a long way to go before we can achieve what we want, let alone even try - unless we have another risky mavrick at the helm, like Hamid Gul, Zia, Musharraf etc.

 

[xyx007]

Shall I assume you won't be making threads identifying the enemies within in Pakistan?

should we call them Pakistani ?

Read this article How Zardari fooled the establishment, Election Commission and 200 million Pakistanis?

How Zardari fooled the establishment, Election Commission and 200 million Pakistanis? - The London Post

By Dr Shahid Qureshi –: In March 2007 a New York state-based psychologist, Stephen Reich, diagnosed “Mr. Zardari with dementia, major depressive disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder. He (Mr. Zardari) had difficulty focusing, concentrating and paying attention is persistently sad...

thelondonpost.net

 

[Rollno21]

Try to answer: why are Indians approaching Pakistan for a ceasefire after doing air-raids and cross-border shellings? Pakistan is not asking India for this ceasefire, India has approached Pakistan and established a "hot-line". Try to answer why?

Why do you assume India approached Pakistan.There has been always back door diplomacy even at the worst of situations in the past and there is no reason to believe it's not true even today.

 

[Khan vilatey]

FATF is a flawed political organization. It’s designed for selective punishment. Why is India not on the FATF blacklist records of Indian money laundry and funding to altaaf hussian in London are documented in a British court ?

k

 

[Rollno21]

FATF is a flawed political organization. It’s designed for selective punishment. Why is India not on the FATF blacklist records of Indian money laundry and funding to altaaf hussian in London are documented in a British court ?

k

You guys don't understand basics other wise won't be asking such questions.i will make it simple for you.no law is perfect ,criminals will find loop holes.FATF is looking at what laws are in place and how it's implemented ,there is no point in having laws if it's not implemented .
Pakistan had no laws to curb terror financing and money laundering.
So FATF gave recommendations which the Pakistan govt is trying to incorporate.once it is done next comes how it's implemented.
Now your should know were Pakistan stands and how far it has to go to come out of grey list.
On altaaf has it been proven in uk court ?
Claims by Pakistan dsnt make it proof.

 

[graphican]

Why do you assume India approached Pakistan.There has been always back door diplomacy even at the worst of situations in the past and there is no reason to believe it's not true even today.

If you think Pakistan has approached India than you need to explain why - what has changed between India or Pakistan. Look harder, Pakistan has done ZERO things to appease India in Kashmir, Afghanistan or elsewhere. On the other hand, India has just done a deal with China in which China has evacuated Indian territories while some other areas are in China's control - possibly forever. Watch Ajay Shukla explaining Karan Thapar what India has conceded in this deal - and the same deal also has LOC component which is making India approach Pakistan and reverse the status of Kashmir.

Wait and see, you will be surprised by India reversing decisions in Kashmir. The decision should be out soon.

 

[Amaa'n]

Then stop oppressing them.

stick to the topic please, thread is about LoC not Belouchis & Sindhus

Thats not possible if Pakistan keep sending terrorists across LoC. See India fund baloch terrorists but we freaking send our own to fight Kashmiri freedom.

care to back that claim up with an evidence or just want me to edit that out from your post?

 

[El Sidd]

should we call them Pakistani ?

Read this article How Zardari fooled the establishment, Election Commission and 200 million Pakistanis?

How Zardari fooled the establishment, Election Commission and 200 million Pakistanis? - The London Post

By Dr Shahid Qureshi –: In March 2007 a New York state-based psychologist, Stephen Reich, diagnosed “Mr. Zardari with dementia, major depressive disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder. He (Mr. Zardari) had difficulty focusing, concentrating and paying attention is persistently sad...

thelondonpost.net

Yes you should call them Pakistanis else it will cause a war.

I don't care what they write about Pakistanis in London.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Dhotis in Washington got wet which had "trickle" down effect in New Delhi.

This is what was said in UN before this development.

US urges India, Pakistan to hold direct talks on Kashmir; welcomes joint statement on LoC ceasefire - World - DAWN.COM


In an indirect reference to Afghanistan and India, the Pakistani envoy said that his country “faces cross border attacks by terrorist groups from the territory of the neighboring state supported by a third state”. “Pakistan,” the envoy said, “has respected the territorial sovereignty of its neighboring states but we have the right to self-defence against the state which is sponsoring these terrorist attacks against Pakistan.”




After China imposing its will on India, the last thing America wanted is for India to get another humiliation by Pakistan.

Expect India to fall in line with CPEC as well.

 

[VkdIndian]

Few questions for thought on the subject.
1. If India was down and out and was so well known as per the experts on this forum, why did Pakistan accept the ceasefire?
2. Wasn’t it the time to give a final blow?
3. If India approached Pakistan for mercy( as per the fanboys), why didn’t they immediately expose this to the world?
4. If that was due to kind heartedness they could have at least refused to accept it finally.

Think about these and answer is quite obvious. For any sane strategist, daily firing across the border is futile with no meaningful output. It means a lot to keyboard warriors but not to those who make decisions for both the countries.

Aaji Shukla is not the foremost expert on the subject though a very likeable one for some FMs for obvious reasons.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

1. If India was down and out and was so well known as per the experts on this forum, why did Pakistan accept the ceasefire?

Pakistan didnt change the status Quo on LOC, it was India. Let me remind you all the noise within India about the Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan before Col Babu and co got done in Galwan, Since then its pin drop silence. Consider this a Indian acceptance of CPEC, a compliance that was extracted by China over its actions in Laddakh and elsewhere. There is talk in Pakistani media that even yanks have come to terms with the CPEC hence there will be no ill advise Indian misadventure on LOC.

2. Wasn’t it the time to give a final blow?

It a gradual step by step process if the cost needs to be kept at minimum. Look at the bigger picture, this region alone as to where India stand, even India biggest ally America asked India to sit with Pakistan over Kashmir, hence excepting the disputed nature of Kashmir, completely against Indian narrative, which calls Kashmir its internal matter. You need to pay attention to what GOP under PMIK has been saying all along. Pakistan wants all issues resolved at the table. He has been vindicated.

3. If India approached Pakistan for mercy( as per the fanboys), why didn’t they immediately expose this to the world?

Noting better then self goals and humiliations. Why Pakistan needs to do anything when India itself is doing plenty of harm to itself and its image.

 

[Khan vilatey]

Few questions for thought on the subject.
1. If India was down and out and was so well known as per the experts on this forum, why did Pakistan accept the ceasefire?
2. Wasn’t it the time to give a final blow?
3. If India approached Pakistan for mercy( as per the fanboys), why didn’t they immediately expose this to the world?
4. If that was due to kind heartedness they could have at least refused to accept it finally.

Think about these and answer is quite obvious. For any sane strategist, daily firing across the border is futile with no meaningful output. It means a lot to keyboard warriors but not to those who make decisions for both the countries.

Aaji Shukla is not the foremost expert on the subject though a very likeable one for some FMs for obvious reasons.

1) we need time to be ready and focus on building more roads and rail links for CPEC and our modernization plans will be completed by 2023 so if we don’t have to fight a war now why fight it ?

2)no, thousand cuts is much cheaper and effective. Open confrontation has variable results vis a vis kargil we only captured 50% of the peaks, we had the same policy against the Soviet Union with American money, we are repeating this with India with Chinese money.

3) shaming some one and chest thumping is Indian culture not Pakistani. see peace for us gives time to develop our economy and CPEC. A real power is such that wins battles without firing a bullet. So our focus rightly is to develop our economy and get in the chines and European value chain. Our objective should be to become a more vibrant economy than Japan, Germany , Canada.... we should not try to be like Indian yet set our sights higher.

4)there is no kind hearted ness in international relations we do things for our interest which clearly is a viberent economy so our people are happy and rich.

K