Pakistan in talks for J-10 & have ordered KJ 2000?

[I FLY HIGH]

Yeah---but I will go back too.




Navy needs heavy strike capability and so does the army----. If it was upto me---I would atleast have 48 JH7B's for naval and ground strike missions---.

first regards to Mastan khan , so you are suggesting jh7b for naval operations while for air superiority and deep strike missions what is your take ?

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

It is expensive---but des it carry 10 k plus load----and will it be able to carry and launch babur cruise missile

Second part would never be allowed. So it is decided Pakistan should wait till 2019-2022 for J-31 or some other stealth that they can get.

 

[Cat Shannon]

Yeah---but I will go back too.




Navy needs heavy strike capability and so does the army----. If it was upto me---I would atleast have 48 JH7B's for naval and ground strike missions---.

Hi,

Is that available for export ? The jh-7 planes ?

Two Reverse engineered Chinese engines in that plane. If you had 48, you would have only about 20 available for combat. Our mig29k are a good answer to that. Considering the same missile it would fire, I would take a mig's chances with original equipment any day.

But that's me.

Thank you.

 

[mingle]

Yeah---the JH7B should be coming out this year---. A completely refurbished and rebuilt aircraft from scratch---. All new aesa radar and weapons package.

We are also facing a major naval power as well and to top it off---we have been talking about what effects the Gwadar port and naval base would have on the region. We need to prepare ahead of time.



You don't want them to kill me---now do you!

Khan sb U have a good idea but I think u will agree with me on this pak should look for euro fighter if money is available from some source .pak need to invest in maritime Defence reason is Middle East politics where we r going to land plus iran and our vegetable neighbours on east .our new political arena is Not South Asia but we moving to Middle East .So we some decent plane to face the challenge .plus all China goodies R not good either I mean if we have strain in relations with China then ?we have to think these lines aswell.

 

[Tariq Mahmood Khan]

View attachment 215860 View attachment 215862 Its been long time since J-10B was deveoped. Now its a mature plat form as many technical institutes in China have made an array of weapons and and developed new technologies for J-10B and now C model is developed with 2-3 prototypes. Now china putting more resources in J-10b and C models, as it wants to replace its huge chunks of A-5, F-8 and J-7 fighters with J-10b/c models as they are cheap replacement with single engine for them.
FC-20 proposed for Pakistan was J-10B now J-10C with newer technologies will be put forward and Pakistan as usual will again chalk out better plans to make it at par with F-16 BLK 52.Now Russia is also active which first refused to Re-export AL-31F engines to Pakistan. Pakistan Air force never refused J-10B it was The russians who never allowed their engine and Chinese engine was not ready till now. Inshallah we will see at least 36 planes in a year time after signing the contract, because it was chinese who offered to supply 36 in a year.

Even yesterday in Duniya News, it is reported that we will sign a contract for latest J10 during President Visit

 

[MastanKhan]

Khan sb U have a good idea but I think u will agree with me on this pak should look for euro fighter if money is available from some source .pak need to invest in maritime Defence reason is Middle East politics where we r going to land plus iran and our vegetable neighbours on east .our new political arena is Not South Asia but we moving to Middle East .So we some decent plane to face the challenge .plus all China goodies R not good either I mean if we have strain in relations with China then ?we have to think these lines aswell.

Hi,

With the induction of Gwadar port----Pakistan would need at least two to four more cantonments in that region----around 4 more divisions. It would also need a major naval air base that can handle 3 to 5 sqdrn's of air craft.

Then off course there is going to be a naval and submarine base. The need for capable aircraft would also increase the minimum number of fighter aircraft that PAF would need----it maybe close to 500 aircraft instead of the 350 they are thinking now. Gwadar would need a complete new air wing that would take charge of Baluchistan and share Karachi area with the bases in Sindh.

The navy would have its own surface to air batteries---independent in operation and control from the rest but all integrated as well.

Gwadar is the life line to china---. And the tight spot that it is in---there is no way out of it. The 49 billion dollars investment will lead to 98 billion dollars investment in years to come.

Once the gas pipeline and rail link connects Gwadar to china----china is hooked---. There is no way out of it.

The Eurofighter is an exceptional aircraft---. The only issue is the current scenario of what Paf is getting----. PAF's problems are "NOW ROBLEMS"---. Soon we will find out what they are getting.

 

[Zarvan]

As per today's Dunya News channel report Pakistan & China are near to sing an agreement for J-10 ..... (related news @ 0:50) .....

Really true than I am having a dance party

 

[New World]

@MastanKhan sir India is Buying Rafale for Airforce and it is expected that Indian Navy will also buy Rafale for Carrier..
and I think neither Jf-17 blk II nor Jh-7b are able to come near to rafale.

 

[HRK]

Really true than I am having a dance party

I really have doubts about this news .....

 

[Zarvan]

I really have doubts about this news .....

I think its true because I started this thread because Janes told this news and the latest news which came a month ago of AWACS coming is still mystery

 

[RAMPAGE]

Really true than I am having a dance party

Do post a video. I'm sure everyone would like to see your dancing skills.

 

[CHI RULES]

The flight ceiling of JH7 is not more than 50,000ft meanwhile it;s aerial warfare capabilities shall be a question mark, meanwhile the J16 having more stealth and agility along with heavy load capacity and high flight ceiling about more than 60,000ft with way ahead sensors/superior avionics may prove to be power puch for Indias latest cruisers with modern air def fences. Even Indian upgrades Mirage 2Ks and Mig 29 will be no match for that beast.
Pak will get this beast if not now even after 10-15 Years as stealth fihter like J31 shall not be availble for all duties.

 

[aliyusuf]

@Zarvan Bhai, Janes have been found to be off the mark lately on a number of occasions.
J-10B or FC-20 (which ever) with AESA will be very good for now and the next decade.
But after that, like the F-16s, it will become obsolete.
The F-16's have already been with us for quite a while but the purchase of the FC-20 now would be too much of an expense to become obsolete within a decade. Because both F-16s and FC-20 will lack stealth and super cruise.
Pakistan will have to opt for a 5th generation platform regardless ... within the next 5 to 7 years.
Hope Pakistan can find the resources to fund FC-20, the Thunder enhancement program and the induction of a 5th generation fighter all within the next 5 to 7 years.
At the moment this seems wishful thinking at best.
That is what I am reading at the moment.
But being ever the patriotic optimist, I am praying to be proven wrong.

 

[Zarvan]

Do post a video. I'm sure everyone would like to see your dancing skills.

Before turning Mullah I was known for being a good dancer

 

[Zarvan]

@Zarvan Bhai, Janes have been found to be off the mark lately on a number of occasions.
J-10B or FC-20 (which ever) with AESA will be very good for now and the next decade.
But after that, like the F-16s, it will become obsolete.
The F-16's have already been with us for quite a while but the purchase of the FC-20 now would be too much of an expense to become obsolete within a decade. Because both F-16s and FC-20 will lack stealth and super cruise.
Pakistan will have to opt for a 5th generation platform regardless ... within the next 5 to 7 years.
Hope Pakistan can find the resources to fund FC-20, the Thunder enhancement program and the induction of a 5th generation fighter all within the next 5 to 7 years.
At the moment this seems wishful thinking at best.
That is what I am reading at the moment.
But being ever the patriotic optimist, I am praying to be proven wrong.

4.5 Generations will have role until next 30 years even USA is up grading its F-16 fleet