Pakistan in talks for 4 Ada Class Corvettes, T-129 Helicopters & modernization of agosta fleet

[Muhammad Omar]

T-129 Again???

Mi-35
WZ-10
AH-1Z

And not T-129

 

[Oguzhan]

Never
go
Russian.!

Russian engines are less durable.They usually have lifetime 4/1 long of european engines.They are cheap and less durable.
Mi-35 is good helly but i really wouldn't prefer Russian.
I would go for AH-1Z if i had money.If not? surely T-129+unlimited ammunition.Anti tanks,Anti air,Cirit.And latest tech.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Turkey has rights to sell Atak. Also Pakistan is an "OK" country which USA is also selling hardwares.If there were to be a blockade like they did to Iran,Usa would block the selling.But it is a normal commercial activity between allies.Atak can easyly fly with another engine but who wants it ?
Rolls Royce is trying to get into Tai F/X project and it wouldn't be fine for them to block such activity.If any case,if they block.It is a bad omen.Turkey can buy some engine technology from somewhere else and share some technology to them.

yes they can get the t129. recent images show theres a t129 in pakistan which would mean they can export the engines. rolls royce is providing the ej200 engine for the tai tfx and they are building a facility in turkey

 

[Oguzhan]

yes they can get the t129. recent images show theres a t129 in pakistan which would mean they can export the engines. rolls royce is providing the ej200 engine for the tai tfx and they are building a facility in turkey

Actually what will work for Turkey is ej230. But we want a tested engine.There willl be another deal in future.A turkish engine or co-production.

 

[BRAVO_]

For the past 10 years, Turkey and Pakistan have built a steady foundation for extensive cooperation in a number of different areas related to defence and security. Not only have the two sides exchanged goods, but they have regularly trained with another in exercises (e.g. Anatolian Eagle and Indus Viper)

there are tons of things in which Pakistan can utilize the turksih experience but lots of things turkey cant offer us simply even if they want, its may be because they are under license and the third party may not let them to pass the technology to pakistan but ...yes still ... they can be very helpfull in many many fields since they are in well exposure with the development of the west and we can utilize their expertise in upgrading existing facilities, such as Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT), Karachi Engineering & Shipyards Works (KSEW), Air Weapons Complex (AWC), etc

but most of all we should convert our relations in to trade and figures should speak out lout because currently we have a trade of 1 Billion $, Pakistan should give some incentive to turk investors and suppliers and same things could be offered by the turks. only a solid trade relation could be transformed in to a meaningful alliance.

 

[volatile]

Pakistan Navy to buy 4 Turkish Ada-class corvettes which would be built in Pakistan

-Turkey principally agreed to buy Super-Mushshak from Pakistan. Turkey agreed to give 400$ Million credit to Pakistan.

3 Agosta Class submarines of Pakistan will be modernized in Turkey, deal expected to be signed in this month




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[HAIDER]

no, the engine is made jointly by rolls-royce which is british and honey-well which is american this gives both the usa and the uk the ability to block the sale of the engine to who ever it wants. this problem is about not getting a licence to export the engine. heck the tf-100 uses american ge lm-2500 engines you think they will block that too ? what about the thales smart-s radar will it be allowed for export to pakistan? turkey makes them vi a licence but do they have an export licence? when you have money you can buy what ever you want. the problem with pakitan is that american kit usually is not at cost and which is where issues accure.
point im making here is that as long as if your buying up front then there's no problem. l

maybe they will add the umkhonto missile on the ada tf-100

The USA could use delays or even refusal as an underhanded tactic, and they do have a record of behaving this way in other competitions. On the other hand, angering both Turkey and Pakistan might be a higher diplomatic price than they’re prepared to pay, just to push Bell Helicopter’s AH-1Z. Rather than using export denial, the USA may have a better lever via military aid financing, which could be used to buy made-in-America AH-1Zs, but not T129s. If Turkey can offer good financing terms of its own, on the other hand, local anti-American sentiment and Turkey’s perceived political reliability may offer them some levers, too. Sources: Pakistan’s The National, “Pak-Turkish pact on combat copters on cards” | Defense News, “Turkey Pushes T-129 Gunships for Pakistan, but US Could Scupper Deal” | iHLS, “Turkey Angers the U.S. by Offering Helicopters to Pakistan”.

In Turkish, it's Hafta Pazar..

lolllll..We have no money but we love to buy everything lllllolllll

Turkey has rights to sell Atak. Also Pakistan is an "OK" country which USA is also selling hardwares.If there were to be a blockade like they did to Iran,Usa would block the selling.But it is a normal commercial activity between allies.Atak can easyly fly with another engine but who wants it ?
Rolls Royce is trying to get into Tai F/X project and it wouldn't be fine for them to block such activity.If any case,if they block.It is a bad omen.Turkey can buy some engine technology from somewhere else and share some technology to them.

Don't think so , US is already pushed for AH1z.
But, FATA operation is best test bed for T129.

Never
go
Russian.!

Russian engines are less durable.They usually have lifetime 4/1 long of european engines.They are cheap and less durable.
Mi-35 is good helly but i really wouldn't prefer Russian.
I would go for AH-1Z if i had money.If not? surely T-129+unlimited ammunition.Anti tanks,Anti air,Cirit.And latest tech.

After F16 recent experience , Pakistan need something sanction proof deal....

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Mashallah

Aj Friday ki Khushi double ho gai

Exaplains the interest in the SAM missile as well

Now if you can only add some good sources please to the article then discussion will really kick off

 

[jupiter2007]

T-129 Again???

Mi-35
WZ-10
AH-1Z

And not T-129

Both WZ-10 and T-129 both are options but it depends on the negotiation, future planning, initial and operational cost, and how much ToT Pakistan can get on these deals.

Mi-35 might be used for troop transfer or for Anti-Narcotic team.

 

[Zarvan]

The USA could use delays or even refusal as an underhanded tactic, and they do have a record of behaving this way in other competitions. On the other hand, angering both Turkey and Pakistan might be a higher diplomatic price than they’re prepared to pay, just to push Bell Helicopter’s AH-1Z. Rather than using export denial, the USA may have a better lever via military aid financing, which could be used to buy made-in-America AH-1Zs, but not T129s. If Turkey can offer good financing terms of its own, on the other hand, local anti-American sentiment and Turkey’s perceived political reliability may offer them some levers, too. Sources: Pakistan’s The National, “Pak-Turkish pact on combat copters on cards” | Defense News, “Turkey Pushes T-129 Gunships for Pakistan, but US Could Scupper Deal” | iHLS, “Turkey Angers the U.S. by Offering Helicopters to Pakistan”.


lolllll..We have no money but we love to buy everything lllllolllll


Don't think so , US is already pushed for AH1z.
But, FATA operation is best test bed for T129.


After F16 recent experience , Pakistan need something sanction proof deal....

Well somehow we are arranging money and as for engine well we may choose Italian engine if we buy T-129

 

[HAIDER]

Well somehow we are arranging money and as for engine well we may choose Italian engine if we buy T-129

TAI won't redesign engine bay for Pakistan....it will be too expensive.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Both WZ-10 and T-129 both are options but it depends on the negotiation, future planning, initial and operational cost, and how much ToT Pakistan can get on these deals.

Mi-35 might be used for troop transfer or for Anti-Narcotic team.

Well ToT will depend on the Numbers..

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The USA could use delays or even refusal as an underhanded tactic, and they do have a record of behaving this way in other competitions. On the other hand, angering both Turkey and Pakistan might be a higher diplomatic price than they’re prepared to pay, just to push Bell Helicopter’s AH-1Z. Rather than using export denial, the USA may have a better lever via military aid financing, which could be used to buy made-in-America AH-1Zs, but not T129s. If Turkey can offer good financing terms of its own, on the other hand, local anti-American sentiment and Turkey’s perceived political reliability may offer them some levers, too. Sources: Pakistan’s The National, “Pak-Turkish pact on combat copters on cards” | Defense News, “Turkey Pushes T-129 Gunships for Pakistan, but US Could Scupper Deal” | iHLS, “Turkey Angers the U.S. by Offering Helicopters to Pakistan”.


lolllll..We have no money but we love to buy everything lllllolllll


Don't think so , US is already pushed for AH1z.
But, FATA operation is best test bed for T129.


After F16 recent experience , Pakistan need something sanction proof deal....

Reis Erdogan is a hard nut to crack. If he decides on something it's very difficult to persuade him off. Surprisingly most of the times he gets what he wants. For the last 14 years some of the most powerful (?) folks have been counting on his departure any day. Heinous plans were put into action to put him into jail. His security arrangement was even compromised - but, nothing worked. He's still around here and kicking. As one Ustad has put it, "It's not about his Etenek (ability) but his Baht (good fortune)"...

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Rolls Royce interested in Turkey defense projects
02.12.2015

Dünya – Rolls Royce is eyeing opportunities in Turkey’s ongoing defense and aerospace projects, according to Rolls Royce Turkey and Central Asia CEO Patrick Regis. Regis said to the press that Turkey’s aircraft and ship projects were of particular interest to the UK-based power systems manufacturer.

“We plan to take part in these projects through partnerships. The Advanced Manufacturing and Technology Center (AMTC) is also an endeavor we will contribute to Turkey’s development of advanced industrial capabilities,” he said, referring to research and development projects established by Turkey’s Ministry of Science, Industry and the Technology and the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey (TUBITAK). Rolls Royce became the first industrial lead and founding member of AMTC.

Regis went on to praise Turkey’s labor force and geographic location and underlined the government’s support for technology development efforts. “As one of our priority countries, we aim to take advantage of the existing supply chain and further develop it via technology and know-how transfer,” he said.

Regis said that Turkey’s indigenous fighter jet project, the TF-X, was critically important. Rolls Royce is already an important supplier of engines for Turkish Airlines. “In case of a win in the upcoming tender, we aim to manufacture the engine of the aircraft in Turkey with participation from local industries”, he noted.

The TF-X, designed by Turkish Aerospace Industries, is expected to take to the skies by 2023 to coincide with the centennial of the foundation of the Republic of Turkey.
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Give few clues, and Turkish engineers will nail it down inshaAllah, as is the case with so many other systems. It's a very good thing a top engine maker is setting up an R&D center in Turkey..

 

[Thorough Pro]

and also kill the local industry

I wish if they test Altay too in Pakistan. A comprehensive package from Turkey ranging from Helis, Corvetts and Tanks would also bring costs down if deal is signed on govt to govt level.

 

[Djinn]

Never
go
Russian.!

Russian engines are less durable.They usually have lifetime 4/1 long of european engines.They are cheap and less durable.
Mi-35 is good helly but i really wouldn't prefer Russian.
I would go for AH-1Z if i had money.If not? surely T-129+unlimited ammunition.Anti tanks,Anti air,Cirit.And latest tech.

I think when it comes to Russia, its not the durability of the equipment that should concern Pakistan rather it should be the reliability of Russia as a supplier. Their treachery of Iran is hard to forget and considering that India has been Russia's long term strategic friend, relying on Russia for crucial defense equipment wouldn't be a very wise move by Pakistan.