Pakistan in talks for 4 Ada Class Corvettes, T-129 Helicopters & modernization of agosta fleet

[Maarkhoor]

VLS is already chosen for Air Defence Frigate, for which a new DESRON will be raised. These ships are to replace Type-21s of DESRON 25 as F22 replaced Leanders of DESRON 18.

Don't you think if Milgem equipped with VLS it would proved as force multiplier? bad choice if we didn't get Milgem with VLS....

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Don't you think if Milgem equipped with VLS it would proved as force multiplier? bad choice if we didn't get Milgem with VLS....

In a naval battle group, each ship has a different role. These shall be anti-sub frigates with anti surface capability.

 

[Maarkhoor]

In a naval battle group, each ship has a different role. These shall be anti-sub frigates with anti surface capability.

Again with due respect with few more bucks it will be good choice to have anti aircraft cover.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Again with due respect with few more bucks it will be good choice to have anti aircraft cover.

no arguments there. However, availability of western systems is questionable.

 

[cabatli_53]

A small detail, It is realized on trials that Aselsan 76mm Naval Gun fire control system is able to deliver the rounds against targets locating 2x(+) longer distance preciously, when It is compared with the one provided by foreign producers. I think It is about software related restriction applied for export costumers to keep original producers ahead of international users at likely conflicts.

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[Talwar e Pakistan]

I'm glad that both Turkey and Pakistan are buying from each other and greatly helping each other's defence
industries.

 

[monitor]

If Pakistan can develop own indigenous frigate from the experience gained from the tot of type 54A frigate and Milgem corvate will be the best achievement. And the number should increase from 4 to around 6/7.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I think It is needed to correct some of your “truths” about Turkish Naval industry which is actually false.

• Military grade high resistant steels for Milgem have been manufactured by ErDemir in Turkey.
• Bitts, windlass, davits and many hydraolic/mechanic systems are manufactured by Turkish small scale subcontractors and smees
• Rudder and its auxiliary hydraulic equipments are manufactured by Gürdesan and Data.
• Integrated bridge/engine system, situation awarenes softwares for better handling along with gyro compass, wecdis/ecdis, navigation radars, AIS are developed by Turkish Institutes.
• Combat management system solutions called Genesis are being applied for all naval warships including Milgem platform. New generation CMS called Genesis Advent is revealed and applied for new produced warships.
• Milgem main radar Smart-S Mk2 is original Thales product but Milgem uses Aselsan produced Smart radar with Aselsan developed TR modules performing superior than original Smart radar.
• British SeaSentor torpedo defence system have been replaced with Hizir. It is proven that Hizir performs superior than British equivalent with stopping German DM2A4 torpedo in trials.
• 76mm main gun is manufactured by MKE under the licence of OtoMelare.
• THales fire control radar is going to be replaced with new developed Aselsan FCR called AKR-D BlkB1 120+km which is in trial phase at present.
• Sonar system with all subcomponents wet/dry end sections are manufactured by Meteksan. Milgem has Yakamos-1 sonar, While Istanbul class frigates will receive the newest variants of this sonar called Yakamos-3. Barbaros class frigates will be upgraded with Yakamos-2.
• Degaussing system to minimize electromagnetic zone around ship, underwater telefon, underwater sounding sonar, IR signal measurements, Electromagnetic interference, Electromagnetic Compatibility, Acoustic signal measurements and classification of ship thanks to TurkLoyd have been done in Turkey.

I stand corrected...but do you reckon Pakistan can get ToT for the steel?

 

[cabatli_53]

I stand corrected...but do you reckon Pakistan can get ToT for the steel?

I don’t think It is about steel bro but I think the ToT will be about general form of Milgem hull and structure to learn design elements/test/optimization to modify it for future Pakistani frigates based on Milgem. Otherwise, Welding the blocks is the easiest thing to achieve in shipbuilding industry. I don’t think ToT issue is about any subsystem as well because hundreds of different companies provide tools and If a tech transfer for any of those subsystems was on the table, The related sides would have had a seat on the table in ceremony instead of military shipyard officials. I mean a likely ToT issue about steel production is about Erdemir, not ASFAT.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Weapins are really waist of money

like the T-129 coting 50 million thats a lot because a manpad that cost 50 grand can bring it down

Pakistan should think of mainly AD systems like S-400 patriot these systems can be of deterrence to the nations ATGM even the most sophisticated one is great for their defense and coastal defense system all these in enough numbers for deterrence while the country is rebuilding itself when the budget is big and not affecting the people then go for the best.

we have Defence offensive doctrine so we do need offensive weapons like ships and copters to strike inside enemy teritorry

 

[MastanKhan]

we have Defence offensive doctrine so we do need offensive weapons like ships and copters to strike inside enemy teritorry

Hi,

Yes you do---because the goal of every weapon is to make peace with the enemy---.

 

[Super Falcon]

Pakistan should go for russian airdefence for the ships rest left on chibese and turks

 

[UzaySan]

Pakistan should go for russian airdefence for the ships rest left on chibese and turks

You can choose turkish air defence missiles.

Hisar A(low altidute-10km,Short range-15km) will be in serial production in 2020 and Hisar O(Medium altidute-20 km,medium range-25-40 km.There is not exact number because hisar o has a lot of variants) will be in serial production in 2021.

Also Hisar U(high altidute-30km,long Range-90km) is in development phase.And it will be ready in probably in 2023.

I dont think pakistan will have milgems before 2022 because construction time.So You can use Turkish air defence missiles instead of chinese or russian ones.

Turkey will also use Hisar air defence missiles on its future air defence destroyers called TF-2000

 

[Tank131]

The only major difference between these and turkish ships will likely be the weapons. The US isnt going to release RAM and i highly doubt PN wants to use Harpoon on these (they are probably ending the shelf life and are inferior to the missiles PN has available to it). The AShM is almost certain to Harbah. The air defense system is up in the air.

1. They could pull a phalanx off the retiring type-21s, or use another CIWS (Type 730/1130, AK630, ect), but that is not very confidence inspiring. The type 730/1130 can be equioed with 6 HQ-10/FL-3000N missiles.

2.They could use FL-3000N which would make a reasonable replacement for RAM.

3.Use the Pantsir-ME which uses the dual 30mm gatling guns from Kashtan, and intergates 8 Pantsir-57E6-E missiles (20km range). This would be the way i would go.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You can choose turkish air defence missiles.

Hisar A(low altidute-10km,Short range-15km) will be in serial production in 2020 and Hisar O(Medium altidute-20 km,medium range-25-40 km.There is not exact number because hisar o has a lot of variants) will be in serial production in 2021.

Also Hisar U(high altidute-30km,long Range-90km) is in development phase.And it will be ready in probably in 2023.

I dont think pakistan will have milgems before 2022 because construction time.So You can use Turkish air defence missiles instead of chinese or russian ones.

Turkey will also use Hisar air defence missiles on its future air defence destroyers called TF-2000

Dude while you develop this and look towards china and russia for LR-SAMs like S-400s and Chinese HQ Series (operated by Pak, along with Med ranged SAMs like SPADA ‎Aspide 2000).