Pakistan hopes MBS will make brief stopover

[HAIDER]

Saudis and gulf Arabs, thought the same
about us Pakistanis as their brothers and allies.

Until you chicken out over Yemen, lol , for the most stupid reason you can imagine over two faced back stabbing Iranians. India’s best new friend nowadays . Serves those Pakistanis back home right they deserve all what’s coming to them, treacherous peoples on the planet back home .

Pakistan get them back Yeman, read the history. Don't underestimate your country. Rich man has lot to say, but poor men's sacrifice goes in the gutter.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Pakistan get them back Yeman, read the history. Don't underestimate your country. Rich man has lot to say, but poor men's sacrifice goes in the gutter.

its not worth getting stuck in a war that is not pakistans mess its between iran and saudi. if pak gets involved then iran will be offended and will use its proxies against pakistan.
let them kill each other over oil, land, influence. saudi have blocked trade in yemen so they are suffering shortage of food and water etc. plus Saudi have destroyed yemens infrastructure and turned the country into rubble.

 

[nahtanbob]

We thought our key ally would not attend G20 in India.

The Saudi royals have the right priorities in life - the almighty dollar. Anyone who purchases their oil and can pay for it is their friend - Read USA, China and India in that order. Before you bitch about this keep in mind if the Saudis have no money Pakistanis would drop them in the garbage faster than I say it

 

[HAIDER]

its not worth getting stuck in a war that is not pakistans mess its between iran and saudi. if pak gets involved then iran will be offended and will use its proxies against pakistan.
let them kill each other over oil, land, influence. saudi have blocked trade in yemen so they are suffering shortage of food and water etc. plus Saudi have destroyed yemens infrastructure and turned the country into rubble.

Enough blood was given to the Afghan war for a few dollars and still paying the price in the shape of TTP and religious extremism in the country. Sending your solders to Yemen is like giving a diaper to the Saudi govt. use and garbage ...these soldiers are owned by the people of Pakistan and for the protection of Pakistan. Not for the interest of others of providing protection to Diamond mines of Congo or Siraleone etc ...

 

[nahtanbob]

Saudis and gulf Arabs, thought the same
about us Pakistanis as their brothers and allies.

Until you chicken out over Yemen, lol , for the most stupid reason you can imagine over two faced back stabbing Iranians. India’s best new friend nowadays . Serves those Pakistanis back home right they deserve all what’s coming to them, treacherous peoples on the planet back home .

I will give Pakistani leaders credit for not getting involved in Yemen. Of course actions have consequences. Is a few billion worth getting involved in a war where you have no clear preferences ? I cannot answer. For once Pakistani leaders got it right

 

[HAIDER]

The Saudi royals have the right priorities in life - the almighty dollar. Anyone who purchases their oil and can pay for it is their friend - Read USA, China and India in that order. Before you bitch about this keep in mind if the Saudis have no money Pakistanis would drop them in the garbage faster than I say it

No, Suadi doing the right thing for their country, I am addressing emotional Pakistani. Everyone protects their national interest.

 

[kingQamaR]

Pakistan get them back Yeman, read the history. Don't underestimate your country. Rich man has lot to say, but poor men's sacrifice goes in the gutter.

Pakistanis sadly became gutter under Mushraf who supported US to murder and kill his own citizens for Americans war.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Yeah make a brief stop for a quickie
In return they can get some dollars.

 

[kingQamaR]

its not worth getting stuck in a war that is not pakistans mess its between iran and saudi. if pak gets involved then iran will be offended and will use its proxies against pakistan.
let them kill each other over oil, land, influence. saudi have blocked trade in yemen so they are suffering shortage of food and water etc. plus Saudi have destroyed yemens infrastructure and turned the country into rubble.

Unfortunately bro , Iranians don’t share your same ideals when back stabbing Pakistani. Let’s not forget it was Iran who voted to save india in the 90s at United Nations resolution over Kashmiri genocide. These scum people have been fighting against our interests from Afghanistan to Central Asia, Iran seriously a threat Trojan horse under Islamic disguised

I will give Pakistani leaders credit for not getting involved in Yemen. Of course actions have consequences. Is a few billion worth getting involved in a war where you have no clear preferences ? I cannot answer. For once Pakistani leaders got it right

And no actions have dire consequences for us too. Mate. With our good friends. Why do you bring dollars into it for , Gulf states are our ally’s and good friends. Do you think U.K. joins US wars for American dollars.

 

[PakFactor]

Why Saudi Arabia has left Pakistan out in the cold​

Why Saudi Arabia has left Pakistan out in the cold

Unless Islamabad undertakes structural economic reforms and addresses ongoing political instability, Riyadh is unlikely to play saviour this time around

www.middleeasteye.net

Unless Islamabad undertakes structural economic reforms and addresses ongoing political instability, Riyadh is unlikely to play saviour this time around

The removal of Imran Khan as Pakistan's prime minister in April 2022 ushered in a political crisis, and a year since his departure, it shows no signs of abating.

The political upheaval in Islamabad has transformed into a major cataclysm, with impacts on the country’s political, economic and social life. And as Pakistan teeters on the edge of financial default, its traditional partners are not coming to the rescue.

Khan was ultimately removed from power through a no-confidence vote in parliament after a dispute with Pakistan’s army chief over the removal of his favoured intelligence chief. Having also refused to allow the US to use Afghan bases for operations in the country, Khan had become a liability for Pakistan’s military establishment.

After his removal, mass demonstrations erupted across Pakistan, alongside rare protests in Arab Gulf states, indicating that Khan’s voting base remained solidly behind him.

Meanwhile, the coalition government that replaced him, under the leadership of Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and with the military’s backing, fell deeper into the throes of a financial crisis - and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has delayed a multibillion-dollar bailout.

It was expected that the Sharif government, considered more acceptable to global and regional stakeholders, would be able to secure substantial financial grants from states such as Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Qatar.

These assumptions were not baseless, as the Sharif family has close ties with the Saudi royals. Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif spent his political exile in the kingdom after Pakistan’s 1999 military coup. Unlike Khan, whose attempts to project himself as a leader of the Muslim world put him in Riyadh’s crosshairs, Shehbaz Sharif was expected to be politically servile to the kingdom.

Mounting costs​

Many believed this political docility and Sharif’s personal links to Gulf royals would eventually be enough for Pakistan to secure crucial financial aid - but so far, this has not been the case. So why are Arab Gulf states, and in particular Saudi Arabia, reluctant to step in?

Over the past decade, Saudi Arabia has provided Pakistan with several financial bailouts, including a $1.5bn loan in 2014, a $3bn deposit in 2018, and another $3bn in 2021, among other aid. A year ago, Sharif’s new government approached Saudi Arabia for a new support package, and last August, Riyadh opted to renew $3bn in deposits as Pakistan continued IMF negotiations.

But after Pakistan failed to reach a final agreement with the IMF, no fresh bailout package was initiated by the Saudis. Last November, General Asim Munir assumed command of the Pakistani military, and he swiftly visited Saudi Arabia; following his trip, reports emerged that the Gulf state was considering increasing its deposits in Pakistan’s central bank to $5bn and making other investments in the country. But beyond a recent $1bn oil-sector deal, little has materialised.

The reasons for Saudi Arabia’s wariness cut across political, economic and geostrategic domains. While Riyadh has long been a source of financial support for Pakistan, the latter’s economic crisis has only worsened, and subsequent governments have appeared reluctant to fully implement IMF reforms, owing to their inherent political costs.

This has raised questions within Saudi decision-making quarters over the wisdom of repeatedly salvaging Pakistan’s economy. At the same time, Saudi Arabia’s no-strings approach to foreign aid is changing in general, and the kingdom has been in talks with international financial institutions on new ways to support cash-strapped states such as Pakistan.

It is becoming evident that fiscal belt-tightening and improved governance practices are no longer just the IMF’s demands, but also Saudi Arabia’s aid conditions vis-a-vis Pakistan.

Political instability​

There is also a political dimension to the Saudi disinclination towards providing financial assistance to Pakistan. Since his removal from power, Khan has continued to gain ground against the current government, with a recent poll putting his popularity at 61 percent, compared with just 32 percent for the incumbent prime minister.

As the federal government tries to avoid holding elections in key provinces, and as the targeting of politicians and political workers. by authorities continues, political instability is a given. The emphasis by a former Saudi ambassador to Pakistan on the link between political and economic stability further suggests that renewed financial engagement hinges on a rapprochement between various political players and state institutions.

The Saudi-Pakistani relationship also has a geostrategic angle. The two countries maintain close defence ties, and their armed forces routinely hold joint exercises. Pakistan has also deployed soldiers to Saudi Arabia in training and advisory roles. In this way, Pakistan continues to contribute in an indirect manner towards Saudi national security.

Still, Pakistan’s defence engagement with Saudi Arabia has increasingly become low-key and more of tactical significance - a far cry from its military presence within the kingdom during the Iran-Iraq War.

Thus, even as Saudi Arabia recently deposited $1bn and $5bn respectively in the central banks of Yemen and Turkey out of geostrategic sensitivities - and in disregard of its newly adopted foreign aid approach - there remains little appetite within Saudi decision-making quarters to dole out similar aid to Pakistan.

In addition, the newly minted rapprochement between Riyadh and Tehran will reduce Saudi Arabia’s need for such security dependency.

Unless Pakistan undertakes structural economic reforms, implements IMF-approved financial policies and fixes the country’s ongoing political instability, the possibility of renewed Saudi financial support remains relatively low.

The views expressed in this article belong to the author and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy of Middle East Eye.

This is a well-written article and balanced.

I spoke with a private equity investor friend who's very close with a Saudi Prince they studied together in Chicago. He said that beyond Pakistan's failure of structural reforms and having imbeciles rule the country, the Gulf region is in a transformative phase, pushing away from its reliance on oil as the primary source of revenue. The Gulf will need trillions of dollars, and they need friends who can ride along with them, not friends (dead horses) they have to carry around.

As we have seen with Gulf-Israeli approaches in recent years, it's no longer an us versus them block; the Israelis need the Arabs, and the Arabs need the Israelis. Pakistan has failed to capitalize on the economic and military front. They know it's a lame duck in the region, a sick man of South Asia, as the Ottomans were Sick men of Europe.

We've always looked at relations from a religious point of view. The hard reality is the Arabs didn't from the get-go - they invested in Indian-Occupied Kashmir 3 billion dollars, among other billions thrown into the Indian market. In comparison, we have an army chief and prime minister running around with a begging bowl for a measly 1 billion dollars.

I mentioned it once on this forum: the Kennedy family made money from the stock market. The story went Kennedy Senior stopped by the local exchange, and a shoe shine boy was advising on stocks. He decided to short the market; as he said, when the Shoe Shine Boy gives economic advice, you know things are going wrong. Pakistan played the game all wrong, and in the end, it lost.

 

[Dalit]

Why Saudi Arabia has left Pakistan out in the cold​

Why Saudi Arabia has left Pakistan out in the cold

Unless Islamabad undertakes structural economic reforms and addresses ongoing political instability, Riyadh is unlikely to play saviour this time around

www.middleeasteye.net

Unless Islamabad undertakes structural economic reforms and addresses ongoing political instability, Riyadh is unlikely to play saviour this time around

The removal of Imran Khan as Pakistan's prime minister in April 2022 ushered in a political crisis, and a year since his departure, it shows no signs of abating.

The political upheaval in Islamabad has transformed into a major cataclysm, with impacts on the country’s political, economic and social life. And as Pakistan teeters on the edge of financial default, its traditional partners are not coming to the rescue.

Khan was ultimately removed from power through a no-confidence vote in parliament after a dispute with Pakistan’s army chief over the removal of his favoured intelligence chief. Having also refused to allow the US to use Afghan bases for operations in the country, Khan had become a liability for Pakistan’s military establishment.

After his removal, mass demonstrations erupted across Pakistan, alongside rare protests in Arab Gulf states, indicating that Khan’s voting base remained solidly behind him.

Meanwhile, the coalition government that replaced him, under the leadership of Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and with the military’s backing, fell deeper into the throes of a financial crisis - and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has delayed a multibillion-dollar bailout.

It was expected that the Sharif government, considered more acceptable to global and regional stakeholders, would be able to secure substantial financial grants from states such as Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Qatar.

These assumptions were not baseless, as the Sharif family has close ties with the Saudi royals. Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif spent his political exile in the kingdom after Pakistan’s 1999 military coup. Unlike Khan, whose attempts to project himself as a leader of the Muslim world put him in Riyadh’s crosshairs, Shehbaz Sharif was expected to be politically servile to the kingdom.

Mounting costs​

Many believed this political docility and Sharif’s personal links to Gulf royals would eventually be enough for Pakistan to secure crucial financial aid - but so far, this has not been the case. So why are Arab Gulf states, and in particular Saudi Arabia, reluctant to step in?

Over the past decade, Saudi Arabia has provided Pakistan with several financial bailouts, including a $1.5bn loan in 2014, a $3bn deposit in 2018, and another $3bn in 2021, among other aid. A year ago, Sharif’s new government approached Saudi Arabia for a new support package, and last August, Riyadh opted to renew $3bn in deposits as Pakistan continued IMF negotiations.

But after Pakistan failed to reach a final agreement with the IMF, no fresh bailout package was initiated by the Saudis. Last November, General Asim Munir assumed command of the Pakistani military, and he swiftly visited Saudi Arabia; following his trip, reports emerged that the Gulf state was considering increasing its deposits in Pakistan’s central bank to $5bn and making other investments in the country. But beyond a recent $1bn oil-sector deal, little has materialised.

The reasons for Saudi Arabia’s wariness cut across political, economic and geostrategic domains. While Riyadh has long been a source of financial support for Pakistan, the latter’s economic crisis has only worsened, and subsequent governments have appeared reluctant to fully implement IMF reforms, owing to their inherent political costs.

This has raised questions within Saudi decision-making quarters over the wisdom of repeatedly salvaging Pakistan’s economy. At the same time, Saudi Arabia’s no-strings approach to foreign aid is changing in general, and the kingdom has been in talks with international financial institutions on new ways to support cash-strapped states such as Pakistan.

It is becoming evident that fiscal belt-tightening and improved governance practices are no longer just the IMF’s demands, but also Saudi Arabia’s aid conditions vis-a-vis Pakistan.

Political instability​

There is also a political dimension to the Saudi disinclination towards providing financial assistance to Pakistan. Since his removal from power, Khan has continued to gain ground against the current government, with a recent poll putting his popularity at 61 percent, compared with just 32 percent for the incumbent prime minister.

As the federal government tries to avoid holding elections in key provinces, and as the targeting of politicians and political workers. by authorities continues, political instability is a given. The emphasis by a former Saudi ambassador to Pakistan on the link between political and economic stability further suggests that renewed financial engagement hinges on a rapprochement between various political players and state institutions.

The Saudi-Pakistani relationship also has a geostrategic angle. The two countries maintain close defence ties, and their armed forces routinely hold joint exercises. Pakistan has also deployed soldiers to Saudi Arabia in training and advisory roles. In this way, Pakistan continues to contribute in an indirect manner towards Saudi national security.

Still, Pakistan’s defence engagement with Saudi Arabia has increasingly become low-key and more of tactical significance - a far cry from its military presence within the kingdom during the Iran-Iraq War.

Thus, even as Saudi Arabia recently deposited $1bn and $5bn respectively in the central banks of Yemen and Turkey out of geostrategic sensitivities - and in disregard of its newly adopted foreign aid approach - there remains little appetite within Saudi decision-making quarters to dole out similar aid to Pakistan.

In addition, the newly minted rapprochement between Riyadh and Tehran will reduce Saudi Arabia’s need for such security dependency.

Unless Pakistan undertakes structural economic reforms, implements IMF-approved financial policies and fixes the country’s ongoing political instability, the possibility of renewed Saudi financial support remains relatively low.

The views expressed in this article belong to the author and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy of Middle East Eye.

According to some BJP supporters on PDF Pakistan is finally going in the right direction. This report reveals exactly the opposite.

This is incredible begging by GHQ and PDM.

This is a well-written article and balanced.

I spoke with a private equity investor friend who's very close with a Saudi Prince they studied together in Chicago. He said that beyond Pakistan's failure of structural reforms and having imbeciles rule the country, the Gulf region is in a transformative phase, pushing away from its reliance on oil as the primary source of revenue. The Gulf will need trillions of dollars, and they need friends who can ride along with them, not friends (dead horses) they have to carry around.

As we have seen with Gulf-Israeli approaches in recent years, it's no longer an us versus them block; the Israelis need the Arabs, and the Arabs need the Israelis. Pakistan has failed to capitalize on the economic and military front. They know it's a lame duck in the region, a sick man of South Asia, as the Ottomans were Sick men of Europe.

We've always looked at relations from a religious point of view, and the hard reality is the Arabs didn't from the get-go - they invested in Indian-Occupied Kashmir to the tune of 3 billion dollars, among other billions thrown into the Indian market.

I mentioned it once on this forum: the Kennedy family made money from the stock market. The story went Kennedy Senior stopped by the local exchange, and a shoe shine boy was advising on stocks. He decided to short the market; as he said, when the shoe shine boy gives economic advice, you know things are going wrong. Pakistan played the game all wrong, and in the end, it lost.

Pakistan will be left all alone in the dust. Only the Americans will be here to dictate and provide some IMF leftovers.

 

[waz]

The Saudis don''t have any trust let alone hope in a military/thief cabal which hasn't got a clue about economics, or how to run a nation full stop.
China is also looking the other way.
These idiots will learn the hard way, and the quicker the better. They will have little choice but to give in.

 

[PakFactor]

According to some BJP supporters on PDF Pakistan is finally going in the right direction. This report reveals exactly the opposite.

This is incredible begging by GHQ and PDM.



Pakistan will be left all alone in the dust. Only the Americans will be here to dictate and provide some IMF leftovers.

Pakistan is a prisoner of its own doing; the Americans will give just enough for Pakistan not to die of hunger, but it will not put Pakistan in a position of relevance in the region. The problem is the establishment wants to be the apple in the American's eye; at a certain point, one has to realize they wouldn't accept you.

The Saudis don''t have any trust let alone hope in a military/thief cabal which hasn't got a clue about economics, or how to run a nation full stop.
China is also looking the other way.
These idiots will learn the hard way, and the quicker the better. They will have little choice but to give in.

Pakistan is the bird in the cat and bird story.

 

[waz]

Pakistan is the bird in the cat and bird story.

Under the cabal or cartel if you like it is a dead duck in the water....The Saudis know this well.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Unfortunately bro , Iranians don’t share your same ideals when back stabbing Pakistani. Let’s not forget it was Iran who voted to save india in the 90s at United Nations resolution over Kashmiri genocide. These scum people have been fighting against our interests from Afghanistan to Central Asia, Iran seriously a threat Trojan horse under Islamic disguised



And no actions have dire consequences for us too. Mate. With our good friends. Why do you bring dollars into it for , Gulf states are our ally’s and good friends. Do you think U.K. joins US wars for American dollars.

it not just crypto jew iranian leaders so is crypto jew saudis both are enemies of pakistan and true muslims.