Pakistan hopes MBS will make brief stopover

[Hero786]

We thought our key ally would not attend G20 in India.

Saudi, UAE, are not allies, they are just blackmailers.
All terrorism in pak is due to them.

Maximum they will not deposit.

It is good for Pakistan. At least duffers will try to get gas, petrol, electricity from Iran

Pakistan will only prosper when differs will stop slavery of US.
And when public will keep themselves out of Ummah, but only national interests.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

These contracts to build rail lines in SA UAE Iraq Israel will be out for tender to NON_CHINESE companies. Indian Railways HAS PROVED it is the worlds most efficient for laying rail lines. It has laid worlds largest miles of tracks

I mean India to UAE??? How can you reach UAE undersea tunnels???

 

[FuturePAF]

The Arab railways are in building for many years. But the biggest beneficiary of this project apart from Arabs could be India as we are direct naval neighbor. They can fulfill our huge energy demand, while we can take a more economic route to Europe which will save us some forex.

Good points, it It’s not transformational only an incremental improvement of India’s shipping costs, and helps the Arabs earn at the expense of the Iranians.

Final effect will be India basically ditching the Iranians more and more.

Diplomatic win the sense that China was a mediator between SA and Iran and was gaining a major position in the ME while displacing USA. Saudi and USA relationship had soured for last couple of quarters, but it seems that India had helped part those rift between the two nations. In that sense its a diplomatic win!!

Has India really? What more did india do that the GCC and the West couldn’t negotiate themselves.

 

[Cheepek]

There's still a chance, Pakistan is still trying for MBS to have a stopover while returning back from India.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1700537410134987066

Hope all your hard work pays off Pakistan

 

[PK784]

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This is a big diplomatic win for India!!

Despite the "memorandum of understanding", no guarantee this project will ever go live unless India wants to fund it fully.

 

[migflug]

Good points, it It’s not transformational only an incremental improvement of India’s shipping costs, and helps the Arabs earn at the expense of the Iranians.

Final effect will be India basically ditching the Iranians more and more.


Has India really? What more did india do that the GCC and the West couldn’t negotiate themselves.

I think India may have acted as a catalyst to improve the relationship between the Biden and MBS. Both personality are not very friendly towards each-other, especially after the J Khashoggi murder. Biden's pressure on the prince(because of them being democrats &muH deMoCracy FreDom equality voterbase) had deteriorated their personal relation-ship and they were not comfortable around each-other. While USA's reluctance to fully provide SA's security against the Iranian aggression. So, India may have provided a window for reconcialliation.

India had been actively supporting Russia by asking USA to not put too much pressure on Russia for the Ukraine war. India is doing so that Russia do not go fully into the China's camp and have been vouching for them!!

Despite the "memorandum of understanding", no guarantee this project will ever go live unless India wants to fund it fully.

The railway project is fully funded by GCC countries. Its a $250 billion project wanting to connect all the Gulf countries and the project is called Gulf Railway!! Israel is also on the talks for the same railway!! India does not have to pay any development fee!!

 

[Olympus81]

I thought India had its bet on Chahbahar. Now its a sea corridor to Oman and then off to Saudi Arabia. Hope you get my gist.

MBS is a good guy. He is using the petro dollars and using it to play the global game. Who so ever plays his game shall be showered with petro dollars.

The Saudis have been warming up to China. Remember China brokered peace between Saudi Arabia and Iran. If you think in terms of binary, that the Saudis have chosen India over Pakistan, then think again.

The Saudis are extremely smart when it comes to foreign policy.

 

[maithil]

I thought India had its bet on Chahbahar. Now its a sea corridor to Oman and then off to Saudi Arabia. Hope you get my gist.

MBS is a good guy. He is using the petro dollars and using it to play the global game. Who so ever plays his game shall be showered with petro dollars.

The Saudis have been warming up to China. Remember China brokered peace between Saudi Arabia and Iran. If you think in terms of binary, that the Saudis have chosen India over Pakistan, then think again.

The Saudis are extremely smart when it comes to foreign policy.

Iran may join at later stage iff their rapprochement is real and they get a nuclear deal acceptable to Israel.

This Middle East-India Corridor has been in works for last 5-6 years.

 

[FuturePAF]

I think India may have acted as a catalyst to improve the relationship between the Biden and MBS. Both personality are not very friendly towards each-other, especially after the J Khashoggi murder. Biden's pressure on the prince(because of them being democrats &muH deMoCracy FreDom equality voterbase) had deteriorated their personal relation-ship and they were not comfortable around each-other. While USA's reluctance to fully provide SA's security against the Iranian aggression. So, India may have provided a window for reconcialliation.

India had been actively supporting Russia by asking USA to not put too much pressure on Russia for the Ukraine war. India is doing so that Russia do not go fully into the China's camp and have been vouching for them!!


The railway project is fully funded by GCC countries. Its a $250 billion project wanting to connect all the Gulf countries and the project is called Gulf Railway!! Israel is also on the talks for the same railway!! India does not have to pay any development fee!!

Without using a Russian route to Europe. How does it keep Russia out of the Chinese orbit. It seems like it puts Russia squarely with just the Chinese option.

Sure Russia is selling more crude to India, but is it enough to sway Russia.

All of this is too early to tell, until the Chinese make a counter offer and see how it lands. SA may want to mend fends with Biden, and it maybe part of a larger effort to mend fences with the west, but frankly the balls in SA and the GCC court, Iran is isolated and the Arab have their pick of suppliers. They can dictate terms. This railway is then investing into their own region.

 

[nahtanbob]

It is good for Pakistan. At least duffers will try to get gas, petrol, electricity from Iran

good luck getting a dime out of Iranians

 

[waz]

I am here to disagree

If uncle sam is okay with hybrid setup then everyone else will be

In that case if pakistan offers a good deal for Saudis(not for pakistanis) then surely investment will come.

Best reinvention example is Qatari investment..it was too good deal to refuse

I will be surprised if no investment comes as seems army chief is ready to full compromise on national interest for foreign investment

No tangible investment has materialised, that tells you everything. The Saudis don't care what Uncle Sam thinks of Pakistan. Saudi just joined the BRICS.

 

[Puffin]

Final effect will be India basically ditching the Iranians more and more.

Errr no. What this does is offer India another route thus IMPROVING india's leverage on Chahbahar and the Iranians

Good points, it It’s not transformational only an incremental improvement of India’s shipping costs, and helps the Arabs earn at the expense of the Iranians.

40% faster transit for Indian trade and nearly 30% cost savings. I call that transnormal

I thought India had its bet on Chahbahar. Now its a sea corridor to Oman and then off to Saudi Arabia. Hope you get my gist.

We do and so does Iran which quickly realises that India now has options and playing hardball can no longer be sustained. India's negotiating armoury just gained an arrow when working out the finer points of Chahbahar

The Saudis are extremely smart when it comes to foreign policy.

We are counting on it

All of this is too early to tell, until the Chinese make a counter offer and see how it lands.

China counter is the BRI and nations in Europe are dropping out of it like flies. What China will leave behind is a vast shitball of debts around the necks of BRI and CPEC promotors

 

[TriptiD]

What’s the benefit of an Indian ship stopping in the Middle East to only get back on a ship in Haifa to go to Europe?

The point of ships, trains, roads, planes is to transport cargo , not to make trips. It is not like the cargo is manufactured at the loading dock and consumed at the unloading dock currently. Other means of transportation over multiple legs are already involved. As others have said, it is an alternative to the Suez rate.

 

[ziaulislam]

No tangible investment has materialised, that tells you everything. The Saudis don't care what Uncle Sam thinks of Pakistan. Saudi just joined the BRICS.

Saudis won't invest in pariah state, in the past a dictatorship may cause that but with Imran Khan
Like niger USA won't bother a coup
So Saudis investment will be safe
But they will only invest with deal you can't refuse just like how qataris took a deal no one can refuse

Regardless one thing is for sure . The war between asim munir and Imran Khan is over with clear winner

Next targets are PPPP. Which seems asim munir has made a decision to go full support with mualana and PMLN

How will he/asim munir deal with SINDH is the question

 

[Puffin]

Isn't it grotesque that a nation waits with bated breadth on the off chance that MBS might descend from the skies for an hour or two on his way home from a State visit to your eternal enemy having just signed a MOU on a trade corridor.
He may deposit a billion or so in your state bank so you can afford to pay for bottles of shampoo and perfume !!!!