Pakistan holds an ace in poker match with America,

[Trango Towers]

war wont happen because pakistan isn't Iraq or Libya. if we die Israel and Europe for sure will be glowing and I wouldn't be surprised if we can hit mainland usa. does America want to risk that? I think not.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Even by cutting air routes USA can’t do much with China and Russia on Pakistan side

Pakistan firstly need to tell anyone coming from USA to make sure trump is shut up on giving any statements against Pakistan

As trump is not in fully control of CIA and pentagon
So policy makers need to say things as they the importance of Pakistan

Otherwise everything is on table , which is going to hurt USA more

Trump is the Pentagon's candidate. And, he's position is getting even more precarious with every passing day due to a new story a day coming out in the mainstream media. But, nobody knows who is(are) in real control either....

As long as Pakistan is able to milk USA, it wouldn't kill its cow, and it knows how to milk this nasty animal.

Pak knows even how to milk the bull....

 

[YeBeWarned]

Pakistan to USA : Please 50 ka Balance Dalwa den, Meri ammi hospital mai hai . mai apko wapis ker dun gi .
USA to Pakistan : oh jee jee bilkul , yeh 50 ka easy load, lakin kia ap mujh se raat mai baat karen gi ?
USA calling Pakistan : ........................................................................... ap ke matlooba number se fil waqt rabta mumkin nai , baar-e-mehrbani kuch dair bad koshish karen .
USA : Pakistan took us for fools, we got nothing from them except betrayals and decite

 

[django]

In the event of the US making any threats to impose any kind of sanctions on Pakistan as well as blocking loans from IMF etc or heaven forbid declaring Pakistan as a state that sponsors terrorism, Gen Bajwa should have a quiet word with Gen Mattis (in a friendly tone off course ) that if any such irresponsible action is taken, then not only will land and air corridors be closed, as well as an end to all intelligence sharing but Pakistan may well take the initiative and test both a Hydrogen bomb as well as a Neutron bomb ( I am sure we could do it in days), add to this an end to the cap we have placed on the ranges of our missiles, yes the US should not only worry about a North Korean ICBM!!
@Zibago @CriticalThought @war&peace @Ulla @Signalian @Hell hound @Ocean @Maarkhoor

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Let's stop playing doom's day scenario here guys.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Put some Diarrhea... meds in Bugers going to Afghanistan
1-2 Days spent in Afghan hot washroom will fix thing up nice and dandy

 

[CriticalThought]

In the event of the US making any threats to impose any kind of sanctions on Pakistan as well as blocking loans from IMF etc or heaven forbid declaring Pakistan as a state that sponsors terrorism, Gen Bajwa should have a quiet word with Gen Mattis (in a friendly tone off course ) that if any such irresponsible action is taken, then not only will land and air corridors be closed, as well as an end to all intelligence sharing but Pakistan may well take the initiative and test both a Hydrogen bomb as well as a Neutron bomb ( I am sure we could do it in days), add to this an end to the cap we have placed on the ranges of our missiles, yes the US should not only worry about a North Korean ICBM!!
@Zibago @CriticalThought @war&peace @Ulla @Signalian @Hell hound @Ocean @Maarkhoor

It all depends on the US appetite for war. And given the past history of Republican presidents, Trump will be most happy to start a new one. Especially to keep himself relevant when his popularity is going down. At this point, let us not act like ostriches. Logic makes it clear that we should be making preparations for war NOW.

But unlike in the past with Iraq and Libya, Pakistan is right next doors to China, with Chinese investment in Gawadar and a lot of friendly interaction. So unless Mr Trump really is mad, there will not be a full on invasion.

But that doesn't preclude attack by Afghan and Indian forces under American aegis. The American general's (forgot his name) words are extremely dubious: they won't take unilateral action. That doesn't mean there wouldn't be a trilateral or multi-lateral attack. Countries to watch out for are: India, Afghanistan, Australia, and Iran. Australia because it is literally the dog's tail and America has deep penetration and political capital within the government. Iran because America needs to only dangle the right carrot and they will readily acquiesce.

We need Saudi Arabia and the natural animosity to keep Iran solidly in the Russo-China block. China is already engaging India in the North, meaning they need to actually start worrying about a credible presence along with supply chain, logistics etc.

But given the twin buffoons of Trump and Modi, there is a chance of mischief, especially in the Indian ocean. Remember China is planning to build bases, but the same are not fully operational yet. The naval theatre is our weakness currently and if things move towards stopping American supply lines, a punitive naval blockade cannot be ruled out. The beauty of a blockade is that it is non-violent, yet still causes a lot of damage. It can make us completely dependent on China, much like North Korea. The idea would be to impose a blockade and get us to give concessions without crossing the nuclear threshold.

 

[war&peace]

In the event of the US making any threats to impose any kind of sanctions on Pakistan as well as blocking loans from IMF etc or heaven forbid declaring Pakistan as a state that sponsors terrorism, Gen Bajwa should have a quiet word with Gen Mattis (in a friendly tone off course ) that if any such irresponsible action is taken, then not only will land and air corridors be closed, as well as an end to all intelligence sharing but Pakistan may well take the initiative and test both a Hydrogen bomb as well as a Neutron bomb ( I am sure we could do it in days), add to this an end to the cap we have placed on the ranges of our missiles, yes the US should not only worry about a North Korean ICBM!!
@Zibago @CriticalThought @war&peace @Ulla @Signalian @Hell hound @Ocean @Maarkhoor

When I joined this forum, I used to be against testing an ICBM and could on and on arguing why it was against Pakistan's interests.
But today I'm 100% convinced that Pakistan should not only test an MIRVed ICBM (an Ababeel but with a range of +12000 km) but also test TNs with massive yield.
But the tests should be followed by very soft and nice diplomatic lingo and hang the traitor Khawajasra Asif Harami

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

war wont happen because pakistan isn't Iraq or Libya. if we die Israel and Europe for sure will be glowing and I wouldn't be surprised if we can hit mainland usa. does America want to risk that? I think not.

This whole talk is ridiculous. If anything closing the air route would be a great excuse for us to simply leave and let the Afghanis go back to business as usual of killing each other. Why would people think we’d suddenly escalate things?? Most people are wondering why we are still there.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Rift between USA & Pakistan is bad for both that countries... Good for India... Bumper for China...

True on all counts but one crucial story you're missing here. Current developments are as you say good for India, bad for the US and Pakistan true... but they're are even worse for Afghanistan and that's the real story here.

Pakistan will not and cannot do anything against US..mark these words..the day they do..we might see another boot revolution! For any country to be independent needs strong law, order, internal security and above all...economy..we dont have any of these!

In terms of offensive moves, I agree. We can't even hint at such intents, nor do something as ill-conceived as testing (developing) an ICBM, as members have suggested.

But we do have some leverage and relevance. If 9/11 had not have happened, they would have happily kept us under sanctions ad infinitum. And now that they're occupying Afghanistan, we are relevant, yet rather ironically we cannot now wait for them to withdraw and help move us towards a final solution to the conflict in Afghanistan.

Here's what we have in our favour in my opinion:

• Afghan government is completely unsustainable but serves the function of a puppet quite nicely for the US.
  
• We're correct on the Afghan conflict, they're wrong. They're not winning and they know it. Eventually their attempts to keep this war going ad nauseam will have to come to an end or unravel before that.
• When the Taliban gains more power and as time goes on, only we will be able to facilitate a peace deal.
• We are still tacitly supporting their presence in Afghanistan, meaning we still have leverage. An occupation can quickly turn into a rout without an established and secure supply line, alternative supplies in Afghanistan are a fantasy.
• Heck, even their withdrawal will have to be through Pakistan and with agreements made with the Taliban to let them exist gracefully as was given to the Soviets and that too will be facilitated by us.
  
• China, Russia and other regional players see it our way and are now vocal about that. It's difficult to overestimate the importance of this to us.
  

Also, in terms of leverage and rate of change, our only leverage post 9/11 was their war in Afghanistan, which hasn't ended, hence our leverage is not set to diminish, yet their leverage over us has decreased and is set to diminish further. Right now I'm of a mind to applaud all aspects of Pakistan's leadership, current civilian government and the military leadership, they've handled the situation well if one takes all the developments seen so far at face value.

 

[CriticalThought]

True on all counts but one crucial story you're missing here. Current developments are as you say good for India, bad for the US and Pakistan true... but they're are even worse for Afghanistan and that's the real story here.



In terms of offensive moves, I agree. We can't even hint at such intents, nor do something as ill-conceived as testing (developing) an ICBM, as members have suggested.

But we do have some leverage and relevance. If 9/11 had not have happened, they would have happily kept us under sanctions ad infinitum. And now that they're occupying Afghanistan, we are relevant, yet rather ironically we cannot now wait for them to withdraw and help move us towards a final solution to the conflict in Afghanistan.

Here's what we have in our favour in my opinion:

• Afghan government is completely unsustainable but serves the function of a puppet quite nicely for the US.
  
• We're correct on the Afghan conflict, they're wrong. They're not winning and they know it. Eventually their attempts to keep this war going ad nauseam will have to come to an end or unravel before that.
• When the Taliban gains more power and as time goes on, only we will be able to facilitate a peace deal.
• We are still tacitly supporting their presence in Afghanistan, meaning we still have leverage. An occupation can quickly turn into a rout without an established and secure supply line, alternative supplies in Afghanistan are a fantasy.
• Heck, even their withdrawal will have to be through Pakistan and with agreements made with the Taliban to let them exist gracefully as was given to the Soviets and that too will be facilitated by us.
  
• China, Russia and other regional players see it our way and are now vocal about that. It's difficult to overestimate the importance of this to us.

Also, in terms of leverage and rate of change, our only leverage post 9/11 was their war in Afghanistan, which hasn't ended, hence our leverage is not set to diminish, yet their leverage over us has decreased and is set to diminish further. Right now I'm of a mind to applaud all aspects of Pakistan's leadership, current civilian government and the military leadership, they've handled the situation well if one takes all the developments seen so far at face value.

It would have been in our best interests, if Uncle Sam was kept busy in Syria ad infinitum. Just sayin'

 

[Signalian]

In the event of the US making any threats to impose any kind of sanctions on Pakistan as well as blocking loans from IMF etc or heaven forbid declaring Pakistan as a state that sponsors terrorism, Gen Bajwa should have a quiet word with Gen Mattis (in a friendly tone off course ) that if any such irresponsible action is taken, then not only will land and air corridors be closed, as well as an end to all intelligence sharing but Pakistan may well take the initiative and test both a Hydrogen bomb as well as a Neutron bomb ( I am sure we could do it in days), add to this an end to the cap we have placed on the ranges of our missiles, yes the US should not only worry about a North Korean ICBM!!
@Zibago @CriticalThought @war&peace @Ulla @Signalian @Hell hound @Ocean @Maarkhoor

Officials holding offices in Pakistan are very chilled about all this and its Israel who gets worried from Pakistan, USA comes later but speaks up first. In any terms that we may put it, Israel is ruling the world through USA since Trump came to power.

 

[Zibago]

This whole talk is ridiculous. If anything closing the air route would be a great excuse for us to simply leave and let the Afghanis go back to business as usual of killing each other.

Fine by us even NATO gave up on Afghanistan

 

[Narad Mian]

Pkaistan has no Ace but only a Joker card. That is threatening USA by putting a gun to its own head.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Fine by us even NATO gave up on Afghanistan

There's no purpose to be there anymore. Other than al-Zawahiri the people we were after are long dead. Dropping bombs on people who were 10 layers down the command chain is silly.