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https://www.dawn.com/news/1356193/p...y-to-changing-regional-situation-khawaja-asif


Winds of change anyone? Seems higher echelions of Pakistan's policy establishment has sensed the mood in the neighbourhood and beyound.

@Kaptaan : I know we disagree on the subject on how the changed mood in the international arena has or will force Pakistan to change course but by judging Pak media and noises coming out of FO one has the impression that there is understanding of the seriousness of the situation at the moment.

If I were to bet I would say that the Tali project is finally coming to an end sooner rather than later :)
 
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1356193/p...y-to-changing-regional-situation-khawaja-asif


Winds of change anyone? Seems higher echelions of Pakistan's policy establishment has sensed the mood in the neighbourhood and beyound.

@Kaptaan : I know we disagree on the subject on how the changed mood in the international arena has or will force Pakistan to change course but by judging Pak media and noises coming out of FO one has the impression that there is understanding of the seriousness of the situation at the moment.

If I were to bet I would say that the Tali project is finally coming to an end sooner rather than later :)
There will be only solution. A govt of the Afghan people supported by Afghan people. No puppets will be acceptable to Afghan people.
 
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1356193/p...y-to-changing-regional-situation-khawaja-asif


Winds of change anyone? Seems higher echelions of Pakistan's policy establishment has sensed the mood in the neighbourhood and beyound.

@Kaptaan : I know we disagree on the subject on how the changed mood in the international arena has or will force Pakistan to change course but by judging Pak media and noises coming out of FO one has the impression that there is understanding of the seriousness of the situation at the moment.

If I were to bet I would say that the Tali project is finally coming to an end sooner rather than later :)

Not really
 
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1356193/p...y-to-changing-regional-situation-khawaja-asif


Winds of change anyone? Seems higher echelions of Pakistan's policy establishment has sensed the mood in the neighbourhood and beyound.

@Kaptaan : I know we disagree on the subject on how the changed mood in the international arena has or will force Pakistan to change course but by judging Pak media and noises coming out of FO one has the impression that there is understanding of the seriousness of the situation at the moment.

If I were to bet I would say that the Tali project is finally coming to an end sooner rather than later :)
U r living in a fools paradise.Taliban control 40 percent Afghanistan.You must control Afghanistan first then blame others.Americans got the answer from Pakistan."Now the World should do More".Pakistan clearly stated that American policy in Afghansitan bound to fail.So Pakistan is quietly walking away from Afghan mess.Now if u want to talk to Taliban leaders don't come to Pakistan for help.We r not interested in Afghansitan fight.Army Chief Clearly said Afghan faction r still fighting with each other,They don't want to talk.So you handle Talibans in Afghanistan.Pakistan Can help Americans by Deporting all Afghans from Pakistan.No Afghan rafugies in Pakistan No Blame on Pakistan supporting Talibans.Neighbor r nothing just the puppits of America and America got the answer.
 
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Winds of change anyone? Seems higher echelions of Pakistan's policy establishment has sensed the mood in the neighbourhood and beyound.

i wont Trust on Khawja Asif, as he is deluded as a Indian Troll on PDF .. his knowledge about defense sector was close to none existent but him as FM is much worse .. Army already sense things and they are keeping things together , not issuing threats or taking threats which is a sensible approach in my opinion .. I personally think that you and other Afghans should not have faith on Trump ,he has so much to fix within his own cabinet .. and he knows jack sht about Afghanistan or how to handle it ..
 
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We won't change and we have no reason to. Afghanistan had proven itself as an enemy since 47 and the longer it remains a broke country, the better for us. God willing it will remain in this broken state for the next few centuries.

/troll comment
 
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longer it remains a broke country, the better for us. God willing it will remain in this broken state for the next few centuries.
Luv thy neighbour!
Had you been a person with a lil more pragmatic approach to life then you would not have wished for a neighbour in shambles.
 
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1356193/p...y-to-changing-regional-situation-khawaja-asif


Winds of change anyone? Seems higher echelions of Pakistan's policy establishment has sensed the mood in the neighbourhood and beyound.

@Kaptaan : I know we disagree on the subject on how the changed mood in the international arena has or will force Pakistan to change course but by judging Pak media and noises coming out of FO one has the impression that there is understanding of the seriousness of the situation at the moment.

If I were to bet I would say that the Tali project is finally coming to an end sooner rather than later :)

Have you bothered reading the news ?

If not, and got excited on news title taking it the way you want to interpert, let me educate you.

Here are some extracts from news:

The minister said that there is a 50 to 60-year-long history behind the Washington policy and the regional situation "which is gradually unfolding".

"In my personal view, [in the course of this history], we have only incurred losses and haven't gained much," he said.


Asif said that in the coming days "there will be a policy shift in the country." The new policy will be formulated with the army and the country's institutions and will keep Pakistan's interests in view.

"Pakistan will cooperate with countries who recognise its sacrifices," the minister said.


Now


COAS has clearly said that Pakistan do not give a fu*k to American aid, ofcourse in diplomatic way. Asif tour to America has been cancelled and three American officials trips to Pakistan have been put on hold by Pakistan despite American requests.

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With this background, after giving middle finger to America, Asif has been dispatched to countries which include China, Russia and Turkey, all of them got beef with America for one reason or another.

Any person with tiny bit of common sense will understand where things are heading.

As for kabul regime , they should ponder now and very seriously as to what future holds for them. When Pakistan is clearly giving two fingers salute to the occupier of Afghanistan, the yanks, where do they, as minions of America stand in this equation. Also, America has openly accused Russia supplying weapons to Taliban, and guess what, Asif will be visiting Moscow after Beijing.

Afghanistan is heading towards proper proxy war, where regional powers will work actively to throw extra regional powers from Afghanistan.

 
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If I were to bet I would say that the Tali project is finally coming to an end sooner rather than later
Well you know I disagree with you. GHQ decides strategic policy. To effect change at GHQ only China can. And China knows the way to do that is to place pressure in private on GHQ. That would have the required effect.

That is the way Chinese have been working thus far. So I can't accept that the Chinese would choose a path that would annoy their only 'asset' in South Asia whose importance has been accentuated by the Sino-Indian standoff. To annoy when the same if not more could be achieved in private. The Chinese are deft players and not crude curmudgeons. Further unlike many countries [like USA] Chinese policy is configured for the next few decades - not next few years. They think in terms of decades. In this decadel geo-political vision Pakistan looms large. We know USA is getting closer to India. Every inch USA moves closer to India converts to a extra inch in the depth of Sino-Pak relationship.

The proof of the pudding is over $100 billion of investment via CPEC. And that is just the begining. $100 billion is far more of a marker of Chinese thinking then a stupid footnote in a BRICS meeting. I have got to know Chinese in UK and two things marks them out. One, they believe in one god. Money. Two, they like taking risks and are big gamblers.

Pakistan is their £100 billlion gamble. And they are not going to muck it up.


*If you are right expect sudden and real change on the ground in next few weeks. I will wager you will see no change taking place in next few weeks/months. Now lets see how this plays out. Please note what I have wagered.
 
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Coming to Afghans if they don't come to their senses and side with Pakistan

We will populate Afghan area with Rohongiya fix two problems with 1 nuke

We will worry about hot persuit later
 
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@A-Team Bearing what I said in my please do read below. We must understand that countries will say things in one context but one event say cannot be used to suggest some major rupture in Chinese policy viz Pakistan. Beijing would be crazy to alienate the only country on it's southern flank that is entirely allied to it. Sino-Pak relationship is hinged on fundamental strategic realities and in depth is akin to US-Israeli concord. You think US would ditch Israel [even given it's record of being a gangsta in Middle East] for sake of Russia or China? Not a hope in hell. Investing over $100 billion in a country everybody regards as failed or rogue indicates the level of this strategic Sino-Pak axis.


China, Pakistan take swipes at Trump's Afghan policy
ASSOCIATED PRESS
BEIJING — Sep 8, 2017, 4:09 AM ET

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The top diplomats from China and Pakistan took swipes at President Donald Trump's newly unveiled Afghanistan policy on Friday as they called for new talks with the Taliban to resolve the 16-year conflict.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Beijing stood firmly behind its "ironclad friend" Pakistan, even though "some countries" did not give Islamabad the credit it deserved in fighting terrorism, a pointed reference to the U.S.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif's first trip abroad to Beijing this week appeared to highlight how ties between the two all-weather allies have grown even closer while Pakistan's critical relationship with the U.S. is disintegrating amid mutual recriminations and distrust.

Wang and Asif announced that China, Pakistan and Afghanistan will hold a new series of three-way talks later this year in China to push forward settlement negotiations with the Taliban while the U.S. doubles down on its military campaign.

Trump infuriated Pakistan last month when he accused Islamabad of providing extremists safe haven and threatened to withhold military aid. He further raised alarms in Pakistan when he raised the prospect of recruiting archrival India into the U.S. strategy in Afghanistan.

U.S. officials said this week that $225 million in military aid for Pakistan have been suspended while about 3,500 additional troops will head to Afghanistan to reverse the Taliban's battleground advances and gain leverage in negotiations.

"It's our firm view that there is no military solution in Afghanistan, the focus should be on a politically negotiated settlement," Asif told reporters in Beijing. "China is playing a very constructive role in this regard."

Pakistan has repeatedly rejected U.S. accusations that it is abetting groups like the Taliban-linked Haqqani Network, a position that China has backed.

"The government and people of Pakistan have made huge sacrifices in the fight against terror for everyone to see and the international community should recognize that," Wang said.

The two ministers presented a closely unified front just days after China handed Pakistan an unexpected diplomatic setback at the BRICS economic summit in Xiamen. On Monday, China joined several nations to declare the Pakistan-based militant groups Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad as terrorist organizations, in a move that was praised by India and the U.S.

Asif did not address the terror designation on Friday but was quoted by Pakistani media before arriving in Beijing as saying that it should not jeopardize bilateral ties. Rather, Pakistan should put its "house in order," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-pakistan-swipes-trumps-afghan-policy-49696457

@Chinese-Dragon @AndrewJin
 
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@A-Team Bearing what I said in my please do read below. We must understand that countries will say things in one context but one event say cannot be used to suggest some major rupture in Chinese policy viz Pakistan. Beijing would be crazy to alienate the only country on it's southern flank that is entirely allied to it. Sino-Pak relationship is hinged on fundamental strategic realities and in depth is akin to US-Israeli concord. You think US would ditch Israel [even given it's record of being a gangsta in Middle East] for sake of Russia or China? Not a hope in hell. Investing over $100 billion in a country everybody regards as failed or rogue indicates the level of this strategic Sino-Pak axis.


China, Pakistan take swipes at Trump's Afghan policy
ASSOCIATED PRESS
BEIJING — Sep 8, 2017, 4:09 AM ET

WireAP_542ff895cb7849e7b7d3b8951f6d833d_12x5_992.jpg

The top diplomats from China and Pakistan took swipes at President Donald Trump's newly unveiled Afghanistan policy on Friday as they called for new talks with the Taliban to resolve the 16-year conflict.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Beijing stood firmly behind its "ironclad friend" Pakistan, even though "some countries" did not give Islamabad the credit it deserved in fighting terrorism, a pointed reference to the U.S.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif's first trip abroad to Beijing this week appeared to highlight how ties between the two all-weather allies have grown even closer while Pakistan's critical relationship with the U.S. is disintegrating amid mutual recriminations and distrust.

Wang and Asif announced that China, Pakistan and Afghanistan will hold a new series of three-way talks later this year in China to push forward settlement negotiations with the Taliban while the U.S. doubles down on its military campaign.

Trump infuriated Pakistan last month when he accused Islamabad of providing extremists safe haven and threatened to withhold military aid. He further raised alarms in Pakistan when he raised the prospect of recruiting archrival India into the U.S. strategy in Afghanistan.

U.S. officials said this week that $225 million in military aid for Pakistan have been suspended while about 3,500 additional troops will head to Afghanistan to reverse the Taliban's battleground advances and gain leverage in negotiations.

"It's our firm view that there is no military solution in Afghanistan, the focus should be on a politically negotiated settlement," Asif told reporters in Beijing. "China is playing a very constructive role in this regard."

Pakistan has repeatedly rejected U.S. accusations that it is abetting groups like the Taliban-linked Haqqani Network, a position that China has backed.

"The government and people of Pakistan have made huge sacrifices in the fight against terror for everyone to see and the international community should recognize that," Wang said.

The two ministers presented a closely unified front just days after China handed Pakistan an unexpected diplomatic setback at the BRICS economic summit in Xiamen. On Monday, China joined several nations to declare the Pakistan-based militant groups Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad as terrorist organizations, in a move that was praised by India and the U.S.

Asif did not address the terror designation on Friday but was quoted by Pakistani media before arriving in Beijing as saying that it should not jeopardize bilateral ties. Rather, Pakistan should put its "house in order," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-pakistan-swipes-trumps-afghan-policy-49696457

@Chinese-Dragon @AndrewJin

I never said that China will ditch Pakistan, I am merely suggesting that it is prodding Pakistan to change course especially when it comes to using groups like Talis, which is very much in line with AF thinking.
We have been advocating to the Chinese that keeping in mind the huge clout China has over Pakistan, it should use that leverage to make Pakistan change course vis-a-vis Afghanistan.

A Tali dominated Afghanistan is not favourable situation for China, because of the issues in Xinjiang.
Not sure if you know but Chinese-AF military have been doing security maneuvers in the border regions, and the Chinese Ambassador who flew into Badakhshan last was pretty strong when it comes to non-state actors.
Chinese are pushing ahead with Fiber Optic and Road and Railway connectivity between AF-China as we speak.
 
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Coming to Afghans if they don't come to their senses and side with Pakistan

We will populate Afghan area with Rohongiya fix two problems with 1 nuke

We will worry about hot persuit later

@Kaptaan posts like the one from this gentleman above reminds me when you mentioned once that PDF has its fair share of pretty imaginative albeit moronic members! You were pretty spot on that :)
 
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1356193/p...y-to-changing-regional-situation-khawaja-asif


Winds of change anyone? Seems higher echelions of Pakistan's policy establishment has sensed the mood in the neighbourhood and beyound.

@Kaptaan : I know we disagree on the subject on how the changed mood in the international arena has or will force Pakistan to change course but by judging Pak media and noises coming out of FO one has the impression that there is understanding of the seriousness of the situation at the moment.

If I were to bet I would say that the Tali project is finally coming to an end sooner rather than later :)




The biggest winds of change will happen when we send home 5-10 million legal and illegal afghans who have been pounicing and scrounging of the Pakistani nation and people for 40 years. On top of that if we seal our border with afghanistan and impose a blockade we will annihilate afghanistan without a shot being fired. We are not the ONLY Muslim nuclear weapons state for nothing.
 
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