Pakistan has to react swiftly to changing regional situation: Khawaja Asif

[A-Team]

The biggest winds of change will happen when we send home 5-10 million legal and illegal afghans who have been pounicing and scrounging of the Pakistani nation and people for 40 years. On top of that if we seal our border with afghanistan and impose a blockade we will annihilate afghanistan without a shot being fired. We are not the ONLY Muslim nuclear weapons state for nothing.

Sorry to break it to you, but no one cares what you think or wish.

 

[fitpOsitive]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1356193/p...y-to-changing-regional-situation-khawaja-asif


Winds of change anyone? Seems higher echelions of Pakistan's policy establishment has sensed the mood in the neighbourhood and beyound.

@Kaptaan : I know we disagree on the subject on how the changed mood in the international arena has or will force Pakistan to change course but by judging Pak media and noises coming out of FO one has the impression that there is understanding of the seriousness of the situation at the moment.

If I were to bet I would say that the Tali project is finally coming to an end sooner rather than later

You guys want to get rid of Taliban? Here is the prescription:
1) Assure Pakistan, and for real, that you guys will never be a party against Pakistan, or team up with a third country to break Pakistan. Land till Kohat "was" yours once upon a time, forget it now.
2) Make your foreign policies on your own.
Please keep in mind that the real thing behind the destruction of Afghanistan is not Taliban, but India. You guys lost your country for India. Now think for your own self.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Sorry to break it to you, but no one cares what you think or wish.

We can do it and make it come true. The afghan leadership knows this. Hence afghanistan is powerless to do anything to us. Keep begging your american and indian gods to save you from Pakistan...they never do and also can't do it anyway................

 

[Indus Pakistan]

We have been advocating to the Chinese that keeping in mind the huge clout China has over Pakistan, it should use that leverage to make Pakistan change course vis-a-vis Afghanistan.

As you rightly say Chinese have huge leverage over Pakistan - the other side of that coin being is they will not dump Pakistan either. This is deposited on strong long term strategic consensus. If Afghanistan can make China leverage Pakistan in turning against Talibs I will be celebrating. As a person my views are entirely diametric to Taliban worldview. So ideally I would love to the backside of the Taliban as I am aware that it encourages unhealthy forces inside Pakistan. But we have to index in the India factor. Whether you like it or not there is no a deep seated animosity between India/Pak. Anmd there is no way Pak security establishment would give up their only card inside Afghanistan to lose out to Indian ascendancy. Not going to happen. This is where Trump has gone dumb then dumber. You think your are going to get Pak cooperation when your openly asking India to get more involved in Afghanistan? I mean this guy must have been drunk? Yeh you can certainly get India to get more involved but that will only mean Pak ratcheting up even more against Kabul. I mean this is pretty elementary to anybody who knows the dynamics of the region.

Now going back to why I would celebrate if Afghanistan did leverage China into forcing Pak to go against Taliban? Simple. The only possibility I can see where Afghanistan could garner such influence in Beijing would be if Kabul became esssentially allied to China at a strategic level. In such circumstances Chinese influence would displace India from Kabul. Unless we are to believe that Kabul would hold Biejings arm to the point where it could use it to sober up Pakistan but on the other hand Kabul would remain beholden to India. In short the day Kabul can influence Beijing would mean both are singing to the same tune - that would definitely not be resonating with India. Then the principle of a "friends friend is our friend also" - would apply.

So I look forward to that day. Would be great to have our Persian brothers [Iran] in as well. A West Asian block [Iran/Afg/Pak] dovetailed with China powering up a new economic horizon.

 

[mikkix]

As you rightly say Chinese have huge leverage over Pakistan - the other side of that coin being is they will not dump Pakistan either. This is deposited on strong long term strategic consensus. If Afghanistan can make China leverage Pakistan in turning against Talibs I will be celebrating. As a person my views are entirely diametric to Taliban worldview. So ideally I would love to the backside of the Taliban as I am aware that it encourages unhealthy forces inside Pakistan. But we have to index in the India factor. Whether you like it or not there is no a deep seated animosity between India/Pak. Anmd there is no way Pak security establishment would give up their only card inside Afghanistan to lose out to Indian ascendancy. Not going to happen. This is where Trump has gone dumb then dumber. You think your are going to get Pak cooperation when your openly asking India to get more involved in Afghanistan? I mean this guy must have been drunk? Yeh you can certainly get India to get more involved but that will only mean Pak ratcheting up even more against Kabul. I mean this is pretty elementary to anybody who knows the dynamics of the region.

Now going back to why I would celebrate if Afghanistan did leverage China into forcing Pak to go against Taliban? Simple. The only possibility I can see where Afghanistan could garner such influence in Beijing would be if Kabul became esssentially allied to China at a strategic level. In such circumstances Chinese influence would displace India from Kabul. Unless we are to believe that Kabul would hold Biejings arm to the point where it could use it to sober up Pakistan but on the other hand Kabul would remain beholden to India. In short the day Kabul can influence Beijing would mean both are singing to the same tune - that would definitely not be resonating with India. Then the principle of a "friends friend is our friend also" - would apply.

So I look forward to that day. Would be great to have our Persian brothers [Iran] in as well. A West Asian block [Iran/Afg/Pak] dovetailed with China powering up a new economic horizon.

Nicely sums up, but in all situation China is a winner.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

A modern iteration of the Achaemenid Empire with a Chinese twist? THe economic opportunties would be limitless.

 

[Eagle_storm]

well if we suggest thousand times to you a best and fruitful advice
you wont follow
it is a nature of you people
secondly the word "TALI PROJECT"
will come soon a GOVERNMENT there
honestly there is no end of this war
until US withdraw its forces completely
and this is not gonna happen because they wont
declare their defeat formally but the fact is that they are defeated already
and wasting more of its nation
their is no interest of usa staying in afghanistan but to have
bark on china russia
and china russia know this
this is called interest not a war against terrorism .For which your
french head ashraf.... is ready to take usa troops in afghanistan and do whatever they like to
ask for.

The promise of not allowing NON muslim governce on muslim territory was made before you were not born
with the PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW.
reference hadith ibne maja
babul futoon
hadith no 3609.

it also explain if they attack there will be always resistance from a group...

so waste of time blaming pakistan for taliban

why dont you put an interviews here of your people or put some reference in which islam allowed non muslim forces in a muslim territory or interviews of your people if they are willing to support USA forces in afghanistan...
if you did this i wont talk on your topic...

 

[TMA]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1356193/p...y-to-changing-regional-situation-khawaja-asif


Winds of change anyone? Seems higher echelions of Pakistan's policy establishment has sensed the mood in the neighbourhood and beyound.

@Kaptaan : I know we disagree on the subject on how the changed mood in the international arena has or will force Pakistan to change course but by judging Pak media and noises coming out of FO one has the impression that there is understanding of the seriousness of the situation at the moment.

If I were to bet I would say that the Tali project is finally coming to an end sooner rather than later

This tali project is an Afghan project; it will end when foreign occupation ends.

Sorry to break it to you, but no one cares what you think or wish.

He is correct.

 

[A-Team]

This tali project is an Afghan project; it will end when foreign occupation ends.


He is correct.

What is with the one liners?

well if we suggest thousand times to you a best and fruitful advice
you wont follow
it is a nature of you people
secondly the word "TALI PROJECT"
will come soon a GOVERNMENT there
honestly there is no end of this war
until US withdraw its forces completely
and this is not gonna happen because they wont
declare their defeat formally but the fact is that they are defeated already
and wasting more of its nation
their is no interest of usa staying in afghanistan but to have
bark on china russia
and china russia know this
this is called interest not a war against terrorism .For which your
french head ashraf.... is ready to take usa troops in afghanistan and do whatever they like to
ask for.

The promise of not allowing NON muslim governce on muslim territory was made before you were not born
with the PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW.
reference hadith ibne maja
babul futoon
hadith no 3609.

it also explain if they attack there will be always resistance from a group...

so waste of time blaming pakistan for taliban

why dont you put an interviews here of your people or put some reference in which islam allowed non muslim forces in a muslim territory or interviews of your people if they are willing to support USA forces in afghanistan...
if you did this i wont talk on your topic...

I just didnt understand where you are going with this?

 

[maximuswarrior]

As long as opiumland doesn't recognize the Durand line border, doesn't take back millions of Afghans residing in pakistan and doesn't halt Indian attacks on Pakistani soil nothing will change. Hostility will continue and we will close the border.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@A-Team man, I have given you very detailed responses but honestly you have either entirely ignored them or not really given adequate response? What gives? Is it me worth even me investing time in replying to you?

 

[A-Team]

As you rightly say Chinese have huge leverage over Pakistan - the other side of that coin being is they will not dump Pakistan either. This is deposited on strong long term strategic consensus. If Afghanistan can make China leverage Pakistan in turning against Talibs I will be celebrating. As a person my views are entirely diametric to Taliban worldview. So ideally I would love to the backside of the Taliban as I am aware that it encourages unhealthy forces inside Pakistan. But we have to index in the India factor. Whether you like it or not there is no a deep seated animosity between India/Pak. Anmd there is no way Pak security establishment would give up their only card inside Afghanistan to lose out to Indian ascendancy. Not going to happen. This is where Trump has gone dumb then dumber. You think your are going to get Pak cooperation when your openly asking India to get more involved in Afghanistan? I mean this guy must have been drunk? Yeh you can certainly get India to get more involved but that will only mean Pak ratcheting up even more against Kabul. I mean this is pretty elementary to anybody who knows the dynamics of the region.

Now going back to why I would celebrate if Afghanistan did leverage China into forcing Pak to go against Taliban? Simple. The only possibility I can see where Afghanistan could garner such influence in Beijing would be if Kabul became esssentially allied to China at a strategic level. In such circumstances Chinese influence would displace India from Kabul. Unless we are to believe that Kabul would hold Biejings arm to the point where it could use it to sober up Pakistan but on the other hand Kabul would remain beholden to India. In short the day Kabul can influence Beijing would mean both are singing to the same tune - that would definitely not be resonating with India. Then the principle of a "friends friend is our friend also" - would apply.

So I look forward to that day. Would be great to have our Persian brothers [Iran] in as well. A West Asian block [Iran/Afg/Pak] dovetailed with China powering up a new economic horizon.

Here is a good article by the frm Pak ambassador to US. It pretty much sums up some of the answers to your arguments.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1356475/our-afghanistan-policy

Given Trump’s statement, the China-India disengagement from Doklam, and the Xi-Modi meeting on the sidelines of the Xiamen summit there is a worrying query: is China gently but publicly pressing Pakistan to take down organisations on its territory who have links with insurgents on Chinese territory? If Pakistan is silly enough to ignore this message it will progressively upset China and sow doubts in Chinese minds about their strategic partnership with Pakistan.

The opportunities presented by President Ashraf Ghani’s visit to Rawalpindi in November 2014 after he became president have been wasted. But instead of learning from failed policies, self-serving narratives were constructed to demonise Afghan leaders as Indian puppets.

Alienating Kabul and relying on the Taliban to provide leverage is demonstrably stupid. Pakistan’s policy has also been unnecessarily India-centric. This alienates Afghan political opinion and ensures that Pakistan will lose zero-sum games with India inside Afghanistan. Afghan goodwill for India will not translate into ill will towards Pakistan unless its policies are seen by Afghans as forcing upon them an unwanted choice between India and Pakistan.

@A-Team man, I have given you very detailed responses but honestly you have either entirely ignored them or not really given adequate response? What gives? Is it me worth even me investing time in replying to you?

Check out my reply dude

 

[maximuswarrior]

US asked to condition Afghan aid to recognition of Durand Line

WASHINGTON: The United States needs to condition its aid to Afghanistan on the recognition of the Durand Line as Kabul’s refusal to recognise it unsettles Pakistan, a US lawmaker told a House Subcommittee on Foreign Affairs.

This apparently is the first time a lawmaker, California Democrat Brad Sherman, has suggested conditioning US aid to Afghanistan to the recognition of Durand Line. Mr Sherman, who usually is harsh on Pakistan, put forth this suggestion at a House subcommittee hearing on “Maintaining US influence in South Asia,” on Thursday.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1356524/us-asked-to-condition-afghan-aid-to-recognition-of-durand-line

Even the Americans are now starting to understand the gravity of the issue and that is somehing to say the least.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Check out my reply dude

Let me get back to you on this one.

 

[Eagle_storm]

What is with the one liners?



I just didnt understand where you are going with this?

you cant honestly