Pakistan has formally proposed Siachen pullback - India

[T90TankGuy]

Gone are the Days when the Ox Fall Down

may be its just me , but you are not making much sense.
care to expand a little?

 

[A1Kaid]

Tell the General it's not his job to talk about peace, he needs to stop making frequent public statements.

 

[karan.1970]

Pakistan should launch an attackk on siachin to let india mend its way....capture the heights and bring Indian on table

.. Your commando president tried doing that before he became the COAS.. Poor guy got the only blot that he has on his service record.. Get off your fanboy horse and think before regurgitating jingoistic cr@p

Tell the General it's not his job to talk about peace, he needs to stop making frequent public statements.

Historically speaking, Generals in Pakistan dont like have civilian defined limits on their job roles

 

[JanjaWeed]

Islamabad

“There are greater chances of finding survivors under the avalanche in Gyari than there are chances of softening in Indian stance on Siachen,” said foreign policy analyst Ambassador Asif Ezdi here on Thursday.

According to a press release, he was speaking at a roundtable conference organised by the Institute of Regional Studies (IRS) on ‘Pak-India Peace Process and Siachen’.

He was of the view that the general perception of Siachen conflict in Pakistan was that of madness, but that this perception was not shared across the border in India. He elaborated the military, economic, and environmental costs of the conflict, but showed his concern that India was willing to pay all those costs rather than resolving the conflict.

Former diplomat Aziz Ahmed Khan went a step further and said, “We should not waste the time of the two defence secretaries, and do away with the defence secretary-level dialogue.” He was of the view that Indian stance has hardened over the years since the two countries had come closest to resolving the conflict in 1989 in the fifth round of defence secretary-level talks. In his opinion the Siachen conflict would not be resolved in the near future.

Former foreign secretary Riaz Khokhar shared that he had attended around seven of the twelve defence secretary-level dialogues and that the minutes of those meetings all read the same. He did not have any hopes of a settlement of the dispute in the upcoming round of negotiations.

Arshad H. Abbasi of SDPI shared that India was already sending geologists to the disputed region for the prospects of establishing hot-thermal power plants and exploration of minerals.

Lieutenant General (r) Saleem Haider expressed his heartfelt grief over the loss of human life in Gyari. He added, however, that the incident should not make Pakistani leadership eager for a settlement on the Indian terms. “We should not appear as quitters,” he said.

Ezdi also expressed his discontent with the politically and emotionally charged discussion on the Siachen conflict after the Gyari disaster. He called for a balanced and objective understanding of the dispute and, thus, suggested solutions. He firmly disapproved of the suggestion of unilateral withdrawal of troops from the area.

Dr Qamar uz Zaman Chaudhry highlighted the environmental costs of the conflict, especially the recession of the Siachen glacier because of the presence of the two militaries, and urged the two countries to find a solution for the dispute for the benefit of the people of both the countries.

B.A. Malik called for a greater understanding of the local, regional, and international context of Pakistan before weighing in Pakistan’s options in the scenario. He called environmental disasters wake-up calls for decision-makers on both the sides. “Zero-sum games hardly result in peace,” he said.

Elaborating on the legal aspect of the conflict, Ahmer Bilal Soofi said that Pakistan’s offer to attach an annexure to the military withdrawal agreement detailing demilitarisation from occupied positions should have held value for the Indian side.

Siachen conflict solution nowhere near, say experts - thenews.com.pk

India has hardened its stand on Siachen: Kayani

India has hardened its stand on Siachen: Kayani - Indian Express

 

[Ignited Mind]

Pakistani Army is not serious about solving the issue or else it would simply accept the AGPL and mark the current positions on the map.

But it won't for it perceives that doing so would 'legitimise' Indian Army's presence in Siachen.

Hence the stalemate.

Anyways, let's just wait a few more years, may be even decades. The status quo suits us just fine.

In fact, personally, I believe that the Pakistanis cannot be trusted. Moreover, Siachen offers a critical lookout over the Karakoram pass.

India, though, should work to reduce the perils that our soldiers face in that treacherous glacier. We must offer them the best equipment money can buy.

 

[JanjaWeed]

^^^Strategic advantage gained by India in Siachen should not be given up for short term political gains. Seems like some in political quarters are too keen to make a mark.. but once you give up the position its recapture would be extremely expensive to India in men and material.

 

[Sashan]

Unless the Kashmir issue is settled, peace can't be achieved between India and Pakistan. Until then, the CBMs are useless and the situation can deteriorate quickly. Solving Siachen issue is not going to pay any dividents to India especially with India occupying the major portion of the Siachen glacier.

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

Why should India soften its stance, when it is at its best strength economically and militarily in last 60 years?

 

[Rajputana]

If some dumb politician in India decides to climb down from Siachen, without getting a document signed from Pakistanis, I will personally go and kill that retard. This would be a monumental disaster bigger than Haji Pir Pass, that L.B. Shastri gave away on Pakistanis word to maintain peace.


That Shastri is lucky he died as soon as he gifted away Haji Pir Pass to Pakistan or I would have gone and killed him. Now we have to go around 200kms from Uri to Poonch whereas through Haji Pir it is 15 kms.
Damn that Shastri; he is cremated too, if he was buried I would have dug him up and killed him again.

 

[Tamizhan]

Damn that Shastri; he is cremated too, if he was buried I would have dug him up and killed him again.

Itna gussa kyun....I LMAOed

 

[jaunty]

We will not give away an inch from the current position, that's the final offer.

 

[Bang Galore]

I have never really understood Pakistan's position on negotiations. Their idea of flexibility is that India should give up some of what we have & they will in return, give up something that they don't have & have no hope of having. That sums up Pakistani attitudes on the Siachen issue as well as on the larger Kashmir issue.

 

[Markus]

India has pumped in too much money...will not even mention about the priceless lives that have been lost for Siachen.

Moving back from here means insulting the sacrifices of our martyrs.

Very difficult position to be in.

One side will have to compromise and as far as I can tell, it will have to be Pakistan.

 

[third eye]

Being caught is a disadvantageous position Pak does not want to sign the AGPL.

It may seem as an extreme but withdrawal from Siachen without validation of the AGPL would lead to a huge upheaval within the IA and give fodder to the opposition to kill the Govt .

 

[T90TankGuy]

Tell the General it's not his job to talk about peace, he needs to stop making frequent public statements.

i believe that with relation to India its your army which make the policies .not your civilian govt . feel free to refute me