Pakistan has 'degraded' Taliban: Gen. Petraeus

[Ababeel]

Pakistan will feel relaxed after withdrawal of US and NATO forces as it will open way for a Taliban led govt in Afghanistan. Northern Alliance forces can not face them except in northern areas. Thus the western front will be safe and Pak can concentrate its full strength on eastern border. TTP also feel the heat after withdrawal of their godfather, the US & Indian Consulates.

 

[Omar1984]

wrong, the taliban didnt exist during the soviets time, they are mostly young men who got education in pakistani madrasahs and have more paksitani mentality than afghan patriotism, although there might be some of mujahideen among them..

Even Hillary Clinton said not too long ago, that US funded Taliban in the past and supported Taliban's fight against the Soviets. Its a well known fact that Taliban was a great asset to USA at one point.

and the worst thing for india is if pakistan controls afghanistan, that is why i constantly say thtat what happens in afghanistan is a proxy situation and nothing to do with the afghans, sadly islam has been badly used to serve politics there.

India shares no border with Afghanistan. Pakistan shares its 2nd longest border with Afghanistan. Whatever happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan and hardly ever affects India because India is so far away, we even seen in this war OF terror, how much it affected Pakistan but India isn't affected by this war as much.

paksitan wants a week, undeveloped, always dependant afghanistan so that they can use it against india in their proxy war..

Thats not true. Even if there was a neutral government in Afghanistan who was neither pro-india or pro-pakistan and was just pro-afghanistan, Pakistan would be more than happy..but you know as much as I do that Karzai is not neutral he's pro-india. He's more like an indian puppet..

yes, i have looked at pakistan's perspectives and also the indians, thats why i call it proxy situation. freedom, foreigners, jihad, occupation etc are nothing but pretext to have success in this proxy war.

Pakistanis are more sick of war than anyone else. We want peace in the region, and at the same time we can't simply ignore what happens in Afghanistan because we saw what happened in these past 8 years..what happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan more than it affects any other country on earth.

 

[waraich66]

Pakistan support during zia regime for taliban to capture Afghanistan is part of history, nobody can deny that.

Today! Pakistan is paying for zia decision for interference in Afghanistan.

Don,t know how much would we pay to eliminate the "zia's flith" which is still supporting taliban.

US and saudis were the main financier to destruct the first Afghan govt after withdrawal of Russia.

Now! saudis are the sole financial supporter of taliban.

Blame game nothing else,

Afghan talaban dont need any help from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.They have their own resources of finance 1.5 Billion muslims and anti zoinist and anti neo con lobbies are their financers or supporters.

I dont know why Iran is not supporting Talaban?????

 

[seekers]

Blame game nothing else,

Afghan talaban dont need any help from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.They have their own resources of finance 1.5 Billion muslims and anti zoinist and anti neo con lobbies are their financers or supporters.

I dont know why Iran is not supporting Talaban?????

1.5 Billions Muslim are worsted affect after 911 and this stupid fallacy maker is saying they are paying for their DEATH.

certainly they are wahabi/salfi are paying and logistic supporting to terrorist taliban.This is problem of their belief that they support takfiri groups.

 

[Ahmad]

Pakistan support during zia regime for taliban to capture Afghanistan is part of history, nobody can deny that.

Today! Pakistan is paying for zia decision for interference in Afghanistan.

Don,t know how much would we pay to eliminate the "zia's flith" which is still supporting taliban.

US and saudis were the main financier to destruct the first Afghan govt after withdrawal of Russia.

Now! saudis are the sole financial supporter of taliban.

Yes, bro. agree with all of it. Sadly if pakistan's politicians are clever enough, they can always count on friendship with people of afghanistan, but they chose to play games and gave it islamic name.

 

[All-Green]

Unity:

Taliban did not exist during the Soviet times. The movement began in 1993; 4 years after the Soviets left Afghanistan. Most of its members though waged Jihad against the Soviets under various Mujahideen leaders.

Taliban were raised by FC under the command of Gen. Naseerullah Babar using US and Saudi money. It was meant to be a stabilization force serving UNICOL / Halliburton Oil Pipeline interests from Turkemnistan to Gwadar. Secondary objective was to give Iran a run for its money on the Eastern border.

BUT, after 1995 the movement got “hijacked”. The US still funded them till early 2001 in the hope that somehow they will change their mind.

By 1998 Taliban was a fiercely independent entity caring two hoots about the US. Pakistan too lost control as it was seen pandering only to US interests rather than its own interests. In the bargain India got totally disenfranchised out of Afghanistan.

Since 2001 Taliban are a totally indigenous outfit that has survived and expanded because of widespread public support.

Karzai is a pretty cute character. He is a special sort of a puppet. As and when the show collapses, he will likely do what he did in 1995; hire a Taxi to Quetta and resume his work in the local Halliburton purchasing office as a manager.

So let me get this straight...

Taliban were a creation of an axis of evil of USA, KSA and PAkistan...(i recall no such recruitment by FC but i do recall Maulana Fazlur Rehman prevailing upon the BB government to be on the good side of Taliban)...
However, all of a sudden when attacked by US they had a divine revealation and transformed into the paragorn of all that is good and just in this world...and now they represent the local Afghans which they did not do before?
Pakistan is just too powerful to enable the conquest of a people at the hands of Taliban without any modern weaponry like the Soviets and USA...seems like a piece of cake and that too without any local support before 2001...when US attacked their former offspring.

They were foreign invaders who needed all the help of the foreign powers but now they have suddenly become indiginous and the public has madly fallen in love with them...because in 2001 they brought more death and destruction to the people's lives via their ardent desire to protect their guest Osama bin Laden...

Simply brilliant...

Taliban in Afghanistan were indiginous from the start, that is the only reason they still have support despite all the ills that have befallen in Afghanistan due to their love affair with Al Qaeda...

 

[Ahmad]

Even Hillary Clinton said not too long ago, that US funded Taliban in the past and supported Taliban's fight against the Soviets. Its a well known fact that Taliban was a great asset to USA at one point.

where did she say this? i didnt know that the US foreign secretary was that much un informed. Taliban as an organization was formed by Pakistan(Naseerullah Baber was directly involved) in 1990s long after the soviets were gone, yes, there are some of the mujahideen among them today.


India shares no border with Afghanistan. Pakistan shares its 2nd longest border with Afghanistan. Whatever happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan and hardly ever affects India because India is so far away, we even seen in this war OF terror, how much it affected Pakistan but India isn't affected by this war as much.

It affects india, why not? afghanistan has strategic location and if pakistan has its puppet gov in place in afghanistan it will be a great danger for india. once again, proxy war between the 2 rivals, nothing to do with caring about afghans the way some people falesy claim.


Thats not true. Even if there was a neutral government in Afghanistan who was neither pro-india or pro-pakistan and was just pro-afghanistan, Pakistan would be more than happy..but you know as much as I do that Karzai is not neutral he's pro-india. He's more like an indian puppet..

i dont say karzai is neutral, when did i claim that? even if he is puppet he had the vote of the people, unlike mullah omar who got the power with the help of pakistan and tortured people. we ordinary people witnessed pakisani fighters day in day out on the streets , cities and villages of afghanistan side by side the afghani taliban killing us and destroying our homes, it is fine by you if there is a pakistani puppet in afghanistan but not OK if there is another puppet in the country. it is ok if there are armed pakistanis in afghanistan but not ok if there are americans and other countries, brilliant.


Pakistanis are more sick of war than anyone else. We want peace in the region, and at the same time we can't simply ignore what happens in Afghanistan because we saw what happened in these past 8 years..what happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan more than it affects any other country on earth.


i dont think so, until now pakistan havent seen what a full scale war is, from now on you'll know what a war is. yes, pakistani military has been engaged in wars in kashmir, bangladesh, afghanistan etc, but the public havent see the full scale devastating war such as in afghanistan. we are sick of war, because we know whawt it is.

 

[waraich66]

So let me get this straight...

Taliban were a creation of an axis of evil of USA, KSA and PAkistan...(i recall no such recruitment by FC but i do recall Maulana Fazlur Rehman prevailing upon the BB government to be on the good side of Taliban)...
However, all of a sudden when attacked by US they had a divine revealation and transformed into the paragorn of all that is good and just in this world...and now they represent the local Afghans which they did not do before?
Pakistan is just too powerful to enable the conquest of a people at the hands of Taliban without any modern weaponry like the Soviets and USA...seems like a piece of cake and that too without any local support before 2001...when US attacked their former offspring.

They were foreign invaders who needed all the help of the foreign powers but now they have suddenly become indiginous and the public has madly fallen in love with them...because in 2001 they brought more death and destruction to the people's lives via their ardent desire to protect their guest Osama bin Laden...

Simply brilliant...

Taliban in Afghanistan were indiginous from the start, that is the only reason they still have support despite all the ills that have befallen in Afghanistan due to their love affair with Al Qaeda...

Agreed that Talaban love affair with Al Qaeda cost them a lot but dont forget the US love affair with Israel which is root cause of terrorism

 

[waraich66]

1.5 Billions Muslim are worsted affect after 911 and this stupid fallacy maker is saying they are paying for their DEATH.

certainly they are wahabi/salfi are paying and logistic supporting to terrorist taliban.This is problem of their belief that they support takfiri groups.

First of clear your mind whahabi/salfi not any sect of muslims , it is just term used for hatred for Saudi Claric supported King Abdul Aziz.

Try to understand big zoinist and neo cons game in the region , they wanted to divide and rule muslims controlling 60% of world oil resources and all sea trade routes.

I dont know when you will come out of secterianism

 

[Omar1984]

where did she say this? i didnt know that the US foreign secretary was that much un informed. Taliban as an organization was formed by Pakistan(Naseerullah Baber was directly involved) in 1990s long after the soviets were gone, yes, there are some of the mujahideen among them today..

It affects india, why not? afghanistan has strategic location and if pakistan has its puppet gov in place in afghanistan it will be a great danger for india. once again, proxy war between the 2 rivals, nothing to do with caring about afghans the way some people falesy claim...

Yes Afghanistan has strategic location, but you dont share a border with India. Your longest border is with Pakistan. And no one can force you to fight anyone.

And why does Afghanistan have to have any puppet government???

i dont say karzai is neutral, when did i claim that? even if he is puppet he had the vote of the people, unlike mullah omar who got the power with the help of pakistan and tortured people. we ordinary people witnessed pakisani fighters day in day out on the streets , cities and villages of afghanistan side by side the afghani taliban killing us and destroying our homes, it is fine by you if there is a pakistani puppet in afghanistan but not OK if there is another puppet in the country. it is ok if there are armed pakistanis in afghanistan but not ok if there are americans and other countries, brilliant...

Yes we all heard about the controversy of the recent Afghan election and how Karzai became the leader of Afghanistan.

As for Pakistanis coming into your villages, how do you know they are Pakistanis or Afghans...both Pakistanis and Afghans near the Pak-Afghan border speak fluent Pashto, wear the same clothes, look all the same and walked freely on both sides of the border.

i dont think so, until now pakistan havent seen what a full scale war is, from now on you'll know what a war is. yes, pakistani military has been engaged in wars in kashmir, bangladesh, afghanistan etc, but the public havent see the full scale devastating war such as in afghanistan. we are sick of war, because we know whawt it is.

Well this war OF terror is bad for Pakistan also. We have defeated TTP in Swat and are defeating TTP in Waziristan. We are also losing innocent lives in our cities because of this war and as I said before we've seen that what happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan so we can not ignore Afghanistan.

 

[Ahmad]

Omar, please ignore this guy supporter of northern alliance sitting in Kazakstan enjoying US dollars

Is that your best shot? to blame people? for your information i have no sympathy or affiliation with any of these corrupt parties including the northern alliance(shouldnt be called northern alliance because it comprised parties from other parts of the country including the west and east of afghanistan).

 

[Ahmad]

Taliban in Afghanistan were indiginous from the start, that is the only reason they still have support despite all the ills that have befallen in Afghanistan due to their love affair with Al Qaeda...

no doubt about it. Afghani Taliban are from afghhanistan, and so are the TTP. this fact(that they are pakistanis and afghanistanis) does not make afghani taliban nor the TTP any afghanistan lover or pakistan lover, they are both destroying their countires and killing their own people.

 

[waraich66]

Is that your best shot? to blame people? for your information i have no sympathy or affiliation with any of these corrupt parties including the northern alliance(shouldnt be called northern alliance because it comprised parties from other parts of the country including the west and east of afghanistan).

If you are against all major players , then you are out of game , you have to select best available options.

Blame game will not help you to reach to any conclusion.

 

[Ahmad]

I couldnt watch the clip you posted(because of my computer), but if you have watched then that is fine, i accept what you say. but that is completely wrong what she says.



Yes Afghanistan has strategic location, but you dont share a border with India. Your longest border is with Pakistan. And no one can force you to fight anyone.


I think there was no need to post that map, I know the geographic location of afghanistan and its neighbouts. America has also not got any border with afghanistan but they have their intersts here. and just because pakistan have common border with afghanistan it does not mean they should install their puppet regime there.


And why does Afghanistan have to have any puppet government???


Afghanistan should not have any puppet gov, if you believe so then you shouldnt support and applaud the taliban because they are the servents of paksitan.



Yes we all heard about the controversy of the recent Afghan election and how Karzai became the leader of Afghanistan.

If you look at my previouse post i clearely mentioned that the second election was fraudant(almost all of them happend where the taliban have power, the rest of the country saw a fair and peaceful election, they didnt let people to express their wish, they never want the people to have their voice). But the first election in 2005 was widely fair and free. by the way, was Mollah omar elected by the Afghans?


As for Pakistanis coming into your villages, how do you know they are Pakistanis or Afghans...both Pakistanis and Afghans near the Pak-Afghan border speak fluent Pashto, wear the same clothes, look all the same and walked freely on both sides of the border.


The accent and dialect of pashtoo in afghanistan is very different and recognizable with the one spoken in pakistan. the same way Persian of Afghanistan with Persian of Iran, Tajikistan, Samarqand and Bukhara is different in accent and distinguishible. Secondly, it was not only the NWFP fighters, there were alot of Urdo and Panjabi speaking fighters too. and i am sure you know a stranger if they come to your home.


Well this war OF terror is bad for Pakistan also. We have defeated TTP in Swat and are defeating TTP in Waziristan. We are also losing innocent lives in our cities because of this war and as I said before we've seen that what happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan so we can not ignore Afghanistan.


I do really hope that pakistan can fully defeat TTP and free pakistanis from their evil. because they used to kill us before and now they are killing their own paksitanis. they were also supporters of afghani taliban. the scale of war in pakistan today has never been the same scale and devastation compare to what have been in afghanistan for the last 30 years. once feel and experience our misery and you'll never call for war.

 

[Ahmad]

If you are against all major players , then you are out of game , you have to select best available options.

Blame game will not help you to reach to any conclusion.

yes my friend, that is exactly what i am doing. my best option is peace and whoever insists on carryinng on fighting in our soil they are nobody but our enemies. the first thhing for now we need is peace and put an end to loss of lives in great number and destruction of afghanistan. even if the taliban come and join political process i dont see any objection to it as long as they stop killing us.