Pakistan has defaulted : Khawaja Asif

[FuturePAF]

Pakistan is bankrupt. It has defaulted. Sympathy won't change anything.

As I said, not for the sake of sympathy, but for their own ends. The IMF doesn’t want to be seen taking the blame for the policies of the Pakistani government, regardless of which ever party is in office. In short, the IMF is protecting its reputation, from the decades of accusations against them.

What I am saying is austerity without any prospect of growth will not persuade the legacy power brokers in Pakistan to pay more in taxes. The IMF should be persuaded to advocate greater market access for Pakistani exports if Pakistan agrees to more social spending and an end to subsidies to its elite.

When she used the word “restructuring” it was synonymous with the risk of default. If the country has default then all this is a moot point and whatever will need to be done to restructure will have to happen.

 

[fisher1]

Imran Khan started offering fuel subsidies for the public in the name of "relief" before he got overthrown and PDM continued this retarded sh*t. We will all know that PMLN and PPP are full of c**ts but this doesn't mean that IK is a saint. I can write multiple pages on his numerous retarded policies. In his recent podcast, he was asked great questions by Muzamil but he failed to answer most of them and straight up dodged some of them. He has no plan on how to fix this country.

If we want our country to succeed then we need to stop acting like cultists sucking off our favourite cult leader. You need to start logically questioning policies and then demand politicians to fix them in a manner that you find most suitable. Additionally, you should do proper research before figuring out which solution is the most suitable. If this can't be done then Pakistan will continue to remain a jahil nation.

@VCheng @Bleek @Vapnope

PTI supporters still consider Imran Khan honest and sadiq and ameen and a damsel in distress who got to power not by his choice but because someone else kept him hostage in power

Countries like Pakistan are crap because they worship personalities.

Nawaz Sharif was Imran Khan of previous generations, then new generation came and started cursing him realising his corruption. This generation is worshipping Imran Khan. The next generation that comes will curse Imran Khan and blame current generation for supporting corrupt like IK. This cycle will continue for as long as Pakistan lives.

Until Pakistan gets a new PM every 5 years or a PM allowed to complete his term, Pakistan will stay a shithole

 

[Ssan]

PTI supporters still consider Imran Khan honest and sadiq and ameen and a damsel in distress who got to power not by his choice but because someone else kept him hostage in power

Countries like Pakistan are crap because they worship personalities.

Nawaz Sharif was Imran Khan of previous generations, then new generation came and started cursing him realising his corruption. This generation is worshipping Imran Khan. The next generation that comes will curse Imran Khan and blame current generation for supporting corrupt like IK. This cycle will continue for as long as Pakistan lives.

Until Pakistan gets a new PM every 5 years or a PM allowed to complete his term, Pakistan will stay a shithole

One flaw here- IK is not corrupt. While NS corruption was known since the 90s. Screaming that he his, ain’t gonna make him so or convince anyone hat he is.

 

[VCheng]

PTI supporters still consider Imran Khan honest and sadiq and ameen and a damsel in distress who got to power not by his choice but because someone else kept him hostage in power

Countries like Pakistan are crap because they worship personalities.

Nawaz Sharif was Imran Khan of previous generations, then new generation came and started cursing him realising his corruption. This generation is worshipping Imran Khan. The next generation that comes will curse Imran Khan and blame current generation for supporting corrupt like IK. This cycle will continue for as long as Pakistan lives.

Until Pakistan gets a new PM every 5 years or a PM allowed to complete his term, Pakistan will stay a shithole

This system is designed to do precisely that: throw up alternating savior messiahs-to-be to draw away the malcontents and then defuse the situation, like a safety valve, while the real power brokers go about their merry ways. Pretty clever, in fact, if one is within the system or a beneficiary of it, like many here on PDF.

One flaw here- IK is not corrupt. While NS corruption was known since the 90s. Screaming that he his, ain’t gonna make him so or convince anyone hat he is.

But why and how is it that he promised to end corruption in 90 days, and yet it flourished just the same under his watch?

 

[Olympus81]

After Khwaja Asif’s (Defense Minister) statement, IMF/WB would be well advised to stay clear of Pakistan.

Let things happen. I believe that’s the best course of action for Pakistan.

 

[Ssan]

But why and how is it that he promised to end corruption in 90 days, and yet it flourished just the same under his watch?

What aboutism. Also red herring. Corruption flourished in the last ten months. It’s why we are where we are.

IK at have not delivered on every promise but he did what was in his purview. Health cards, etc. makes him leagues better than the next guy whoever you think that is.

 

[VCheng]

What aboutism. Also red herring. Corruption flourished in the last ten months. It’s why we are where we are.

IK at have not delivered on every promise but he did what was in his purview. Health cards, etc. makes him leagues better than the next guy whoever you think that is.

We know the present lot are corrupt. But IK promised to end corruption in 90 days. and he did not. So either he lied or is incompetent. No third choice here for IK's performance.

 

[Ssan]

We know the present lot are corrupt. But IK promised to end corruption in 90 days. and he did not. So either he lied or is incompetent. No third choice here for IK's performance.

Third option is that he succeeded in limited context. To consider this option, please post the promise, consider all possible contexts, and then analyze whether he really failed in curbing corruption as you claim. At least, the big ticket corruption items were indeed halted. NAB recoveries at all time high.

 

[mulj]

IT is time for OIC monetary fond like IMF, muslim world combined generate around 5000 billions usd, that is enough to support any troubled economy and society.

 

[VCheng]

Third option is that he succeeded in limited context. To consider this option, please post the promise, consider all possible contexts, and then analyze whether he really failed in curbing corruption as you claim. At least, the big ticket corruption items were indeed halted. NAB recoveries at all time high.

This is the promise IK made:

PTI will end corruption in 19 days, terrorism in 90 days: Imran Khan​

PTI will end corruption in 19 days, terrorism in 90 days: Imran Khan | The Express Tribune

Speaking at a PTI organised energy seminar, says a long term strategy can resolve the energy crisis.

tribune.com.pk

Next up, we will talk about how much money out of the $200billion of the looted national wealth he said he would recover did he actually recover. Lies upon lies, he said.

 

[Path-Finder]

I know some that were very pro PMLN, now they have turned against the Shareefs and hate them.

I refuse to believe that.

 

[Path-Finder]

its amazing to see @VCheng shift its woof woof from the 'khaki' to IK.

 

[VCheng]

its amazing to see @VCheng shift its woof woof from the 'khaki' to IK.

There is no shift here. I have always called out IK for being the pawn that he always has been. And please mind your language if you wish to discuss anything with me. Thank you.

 

[Path-Finder]

There is no shift here. I have always called out IK for being the pawn that he always has been. And please mind your language if you wish to discuss anything with me. Thank you.

reminds me of David Cameron, holistically anti EU then pro EU. I didn't use bad language but only share my thoughts on the shift in narratives.

 

[KaiserX]

This is the promise IK made:

PTI will end corruption in 19 days, terrorism in 90 days: Imran Khan​

PTI will end corruption in 19 days, terrorism in 90 days: Imran Khan | The Express Tribune

Speaking at a PTI organised energy seminar, says a long term strategy can resolve the energy crisis.

tribune.com.pk

Next up, we will talk about how much money out of the $200billion of the looted national wealth he said he would recover did he actually recover. Lies upon lies, he said.

The worst part of IK is that he used populism to come to power and then implemented populist policies leading to a worse economic situation we see today

Compare this to Modi, who also used populism in order to come to power but once Modi was in power he implemented tough economic reforms for which results we see today in India.

People love IK to much and are blinded by that rather than thinking rationaly. In all 4 years in power his only major domestic achievement was his handling of covid. He could have leveraged how early and quick pak came out of the pandemic compared to other major nations. Unfortnately as his other promises he never delivered.

His only foreign policy victory was shooting down indian jets and returning the pilot without escalation.

Other than these 2 achievements all else was a failure. IK had enough power were he could have done so so much. Yet failed to do anything.

Yes IK is still better than the other lot. He is not corrupt and has good intentions, but why does he never follow his own speeches or implement what he preaches to others??? Whether having a strong team, increasing tax revenue, tackling corruption, etc… all performance indicators declined during his term, you simply have to look at global indexes to get an idea.

Me personally I dont think IK has the managerial skills to run the nation. He is more of an inspirational figurehead for the masses. If he does come back to power (which he will given fair elections are held) id strongly prefer him to become the President and let a capable economic team run the country (PM, CMs, FM)