Pakistan has been offered the Chinese 4th generation J-11 (SU27)

[MZUBAIR]

PAF cant get it ......Untill the Enjine is designed for J11

 

[wakapdf]

This is just a wet dream. This article was published in 2008 by moin ansari from rupeenews( i wonder wtf that is). We are not gonna go for twin engine aircraft. Not before 2020 anyhow.

 

[Secret Service]

This is just a wet dream. This article was published in 2008 by moin ansari from rupeenews( i wonder wtf that is). We are not gonna go for twin engine aircraft. Not before 2020 anyhow.

you are in a wet dream ....

 

[wakapdf]

^^^^^i think i know who moin ansari is now and who wrote the article

 

[RazorMC]

Twin engine fighters are not part of PAF's strategy because of their higher procurement and maintainence cost combined with more fuel consumption.
I think that we ought to acquire F-16 technology through third-parties. The JF-17 and the J-10 are not suitable for defense against the Su-30MKIs and the soon to come T-50.

 

[Secret Service]

Twin engine fighters are not part of PAF's strategy because of their higher procurement and maintainence cost combined with more fuel consumption.
I think that we ought to acquire F-16 technology through third-parties. The JF-17 and the J-10 are not suitable for defense against the Su-30MKIs and the soon to come T-50.

J-10 version for Pakistan couple with newer f 16s are best counter for Su 30 ...and forget about t-50 it is years away....!

 

[rcrmj]

PAF cant get it ......Untill the Enjine is designed for J11

J-11B is alreadt geared with WS-10 engine which is confirmed by CCTV. When CCTV says it then its very true all the speculations dont matter`

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think the real question is , do we really need J11 fighter

The J10B is ample for our national defence needs specially with the advance variation of Air-Air Missiles on board its more then sufficient I just feel if we upgraded our 36 fighters to about 80 J10B

Its more then enough to replace our all Mirage feet

The biggest problem we had in the past was the we did not had BVR missiles in our inventory which was a major disadvantage

Now if we only upgrade to AESA radar on our fighters able to track 6 enemy fighters and engage them that should be top priority - AVIONICs and with Chinese cooperation we know we will get quality product


a) High Altitude Missile defense shields
b) 80 J10B - 300 JF17 thunders is ample for our national defense

Which would help us retire the 150 Mirages in our inventory

1 engine or double engine does not matter - what matters is we get quality product

 

[Secret Service]

I think the real question is , do we really need J11 fighter

The J10B is ample for our national defence needs specially with the advance variation of Air-Air Missiles on board its more then sufficient I just feel if we upgraded our 36 fighters to about 80 J10B

Its more then enough to replace our all Mirage feet

The biggest problem we had in the past was the we did not had BVR missiles in our inventory which was a major disadvantage

Now if we only upgrade to AESA radar on our fighters able to track 6 enemy fighters and engage them that should be top priority - AVIONICs and with Chinese cooperation we know we will get quality product


a) High Altitude Missile defense shields
b) 80 J10B - 300 JF17 thunders is ample for our national defense

Which would help us retire the 150 Mirages in our inventory

Do j 10b is equipped with Chinese BVR ...???

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well the chinese missiles are good product - but we just need to move our Airforce from 1960's to 2011ish in next 4 years and the missiles we got from China are just what the doctor orders.

We need to get started with Submarine, Frigate, air defence , and J10B purchases fast time is ticking

Becasue in bigger scheme of things , an out dated fighter plane is like that dot on video game , you click and destroy it in 2 minutes

But in last 10 years we have been transformed rapidly during Musharif's time , I mean the best defence deals happened in that guy's time ( as much as I do not like the reason why he stayed in power for 10 years)
but we got things done !!!

The J11 is a wonderful plane but , we just don't need it , for china it was a must becasue they plan to I think use it on the Aircraft carrier platform so you need the twin engines, other then that I do not find it as a absolute must


What we do need is serial production of Ground to Air (High Altitude missiles) to shoot down drones and other enemy combat planes - which is needed , becasue , its hindering our national security

And just 100 -200 missiles is not enough we need serial production to cover all border regions of Pakistan (North , South , East , West ) in ample numbers

J10B is pretty solid plane - loaded with latest 21st century weapons and avionics and to be honest I am kinda starting to like its unique plane shape

 

[Beast]

Do j 10b is equipped with Chinese BVR ...???

Hahaha... Is like asking is PRC armed with nuclear bomb?

So what do you think?

Btw, I think J-11B is useful for PAF. It has such great range that it need not carry drop tank and has a great payload.It will able to strike deeper into India.

But I think China may have played the game too far if it export J-11B, the license to PRC covers only own production but not export. PRC still plays within the rules of producing for domestic use only. I hope they do not cross the line by exporting.

Anyway, there is a major flaw of Su-27 if is configure to full load. It cannot perform decent dogfight with full fuel tank and massive payload. Even it dump its payload, it can't dump its internal fuel.

The full potential of Su-27 dogfight can only be realised in cetain percentage of internal fuel. Which means Su-27 still need to be escort for long range bombing mission.

 

[Joe Shearer]

This is just a wet dream. This article was published in 2008 by moin ansari from rupeenews( i wonder wtf that is). We are not gonna go for twin engine aircraft. Not before 2020 anyhow.

You don't know Moin Ansari and Rupee News? Zaid Hamid Lite.

 

[tallboy123]

Forget 4th generation j-11(su-27),u can get J-20...which has 2 engines..

 

[Secret Service]

Hahaha... Is like asking is PRC armed with nuclear bomb?

So what do you think?

Btw, I think J-11B is useful for PAF. It has such great range that it need not carry drop tank and has a great payload.It will able to strike deeper into India.

But I think China may have played the game too far if it export J-11B, the license to PRC covers only own production but not export. PRC still plays within the rules of producing for domestic use only. I hope they do not cross the line by exporting.

Anyway, there is a major flaw of Su-27 if is configure to full load. It cannot perform decent dogfight with full fuel tank and massive payload. Even it dump its payload, it can't dump its internal fuel.

The full potential of Su-27 dogfight can only be realised in cetain percentage of internal fuel. Which means Su-27 still need to be escort for long range bombing mission.

i asked it in different perspective...Thanks for info ...

 

[Silk]

There is more chance we get J20 in small numbers in the far future then J11. Adding J11 means a lot of more problems in maintenance, training and total costs.With India getting into stealth the PAF will be forced to do the same.