What's new

Pakistan GDP cross $270 Billion mark

Anything good for Pakistan is applaudable! However, why isnt this being shown? Inflation, still getting loans still people becoming poorer, unemployment still at a high, no new technology no platform for new development, closure of textile (1 of our major exports) exports decreasing...Someone explain to me how this happened and the remaining train didnt pull in?
 
.
The actual GDP figures are somewhere close to 500billion. The problem is that most of the traders pay no taxes, and keep no records about their turnover, so they become part of the informal economy. This is the same reason why the trade unions are protesting withholding taxes on bank transactions. The withholding taxes themselves are negligible and wont be effecting their income but these would bring their respective businesses into the lime light. For anyone who has visited large markets like "Shalmi Market " or Brandth road in lahore know, that the traders use what is called a "Parchi system" instead of the banks. Currently there are more than 15 million traders out of the tax net. Their businesses arent accounted for in the GDP.

table1.jpg


Informal / black economy is about 250Billion dollars in the fiscal year of 2015 add to that 270 billion gdp from this year. We get a gdp of 520billion$.

So far Ishaq Dar is just treating the symptoms instead of going for the cure. We badly need tax reforms. Its plainly pathetic TBH to see a country of 180 million , in the top 50 economies but having a tax to gdp ratio of the bottom ten economies. :pissed:
 
Last edited:
.
The actual GDP figures are somewhere close to 500billion. The problem is that most of the traders pay no taxes, and keep no records about their turnover, so they become part of the informal economy. This is the same reason why the trade unions are protesting withholding taxes on bank transactions. The withholding taxes themselves are negligible and wont be effecting their income but these would bring their respective businesses into the lime light. For anyone who has visited large markets like "Shalmi Market " or Brandth road in lahore know, that the traders use what is called a "Parchi system" instead of the banks. Currently there are more than 15 million traders out of the tax net. Their businesses arent accounted for in the GDP.

table1.jpg


Informal / black economy is about 250Billion dollars in the fiscal year of 2015 add to that 270 billion gdp from this year. We get a gdp of 520billion$.

So far Ishaq Dar is just treating the symptoms instead of going for the cure. We badly need tax reforms. Its plainly pathetic TBH to see a country of 180 million , in the top 50 economies but having a tax to gdp ratio of the bottom ten economies. :pissed:

Now I have another question. Pakistan is an Islamic state. If and when someone starts tax reforms, and ppl and mullahs go out in the streets and starts saying, that in Islam there is nothing as Tax, so why should we pay tax. The government can get our annually Zakat, and that's it... then what ?

IMO, ppl can change 180 degrees, when it comes to money
 
.
. .
Now I have another question. Pakistan is an Islamic state. If and when someone starts tax reforms, and ppl and mullahs go out in the streets and starts saying, that in Islam there is nothing as Tax, so why should we pay tax. The government can get our annually Zakat, and that's it... then what ?

IMO, ppl can change 180 degrees, when it comes to money

No actually its quite the opposite. The concept of taxes is not foreign to Islam. Infact, taxes have been an integral part of the early caliphate. Zakat which is an alms-giving tax also happens to be one the pillars of islam. The rashidun caliphs ( imposed a wide range of taxes).

Kharaj was an tax on agricultural land.
Ushr was a 5 or 10 percent levy on agriculture produce
Zakat was not only intended for the poor , it was also used for development in the community i.e wells, mosques and schools.
Khums was a tax on war bounties.
Jizya a tax for non muslim residents only.
Then at the center you had baitul mal ( treasury) which set the value of the currency and implemented trade laws , funded projects and provide social welfare and economic aid to orphans and senior citizens.

Not paying these taxes was forbidden not only under law of the land but also under sharia. I think the government could use this fact to its advantage. Ask the ulema to urge the people to pay their dues.
 
.
No actually its quite the opposite. The concept of taxes is not foreign to Islam. Infact, taxes have been an integral part of the early caliphate. Zakat which is an alms-giving tax also happens to be one the pillars of islam. The rashidun caliphs ( imposed a wide range of taxes).

Kharaj was an tax on agricultural land.
Ushr was a 5 or 10 percent levy on agriculture produce
Zakat was not only intended for the poor , it was also used for development in the community i.e wells, mosques and schools.
Khums was a tax on war bounties.
Jizya a tax for non muslim residents only.
Then at the center you had baitul mal ( treasury) which set the value of the currency and implemented trade laws , funded projects and provide social welfare and economic aid to orphans and senior citizens.

Not paying these taxes was forbidden not only under law of the land but also under sharia. I think the government could use this fact to its advantage. Ask the ulema to urge the people to pay their dues.

I am pretty sure, I heard a couple of days ago Sheikh Imran Hossein, telling in a youtube video, that under normal circumstances, there's no tax, except if and when a special situation arises, like war, then you can collect extra tax for that.
 
.
I am pretty sure, I heard a couple of days ago Sheikh Imran Hossein, telling in a youtube video, that under normal circumstances, there's no tax, except if and when a special situation arises, like war, then you can collect extra tax for that.

Can an Islamic State Levy Modern Taxes?


Can an Islamic state impose taxes such as Wealth tax, Income tax, Customs Excise, Sales tax, Gift tax, Capital Gains tax, Property tax, etc., on its Muslim citizens in addition to Zakat? This question is being hotly debated these days.The issue cannot be resolved easily since there are no clear instructions either in the Qur’an and the Sunnah in the favour of or against the proposition under debate. Some people argue that an Islamic state cannot charge taxes besides Zakat from its Muslim subjects, while others are of the opinion that the State, in case of need, is well authorised to levy taxes in addition to Zakat.

However the study of the Qur’an, the Ahadith and the practice of the Prophet of Islam, the conventions of right-guided caliphs, the opinions of the jurists of Islam and the experience of states through history reveals that some sort of justification can be found enabling the Islamic state to impose extra-Shariah or worldly taxes in addition to Zakat for funding emergency needs and for meeting the huge expenses of its welfare functions. Such justification has been found by the scholars on the following grounds:

1. The activities of a modern Islamic state have expanded, like any other modern state, due to socio-economic changes brought about by the industrial revolution and the progress made in science and technology. In addition to performing the traditional functions of a conventional state, a modern state is expected to provide socio-economic infrastructure for industrial development, education and medical relief, means of communication and transport, employment and civil amenities, etc. Thus, the need for finances has increased for meeting the huge expenses on newly assumed manifold responsibilities by the state. But on the other hand, the sources of finance like Khums on spoils of war, Fai, Kharaj and Jizyah etc. which were available to the early Islamic state are no longer available to a modern Islamic state. So a modern Islamic state has to impose taxes to supplement its Zakat revenues for meeting its ever-growing expenses.

2. The Qur’an prescribes the heads of expenditure of Zakat funds of an Islamic State when it says: “The alms are only for the poor and the needy and those who collect them and those whose hearts are to be reconciled, and to free the captives and the debtors, and for the cause of Allah, and (for) the wayfarers…..” (9:60). Thus, the Zakat revenues can be applied by the Islamic state only on the expenditures enumerated by the Qur’an. It has no discretion to utilize Zakat funds on the heads of expenditure other than listed by the Qur’an. Therefore, the government of an Islamic state has to impose taxes in order to meet its expenses other than those to which Zakat revenues can be applied.

3. In another verse, the Qur’an says: “It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West: but righteous is he who believes in Allah and the last day and the Angels, and the Scripture and the Prophets and giveth his wealth for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor due (Zakat)……..” (2:177). This verse of the Qur’an is making the rich liable (in addition to the payment of Zakat) to spend their wealth for their kinsfolk, for orphans, for the poor and the needy and also for the emancipation of slaves and assistance to the wayfarer. Many jurists see in this verse a clear authority enabling the Islamic state to impose taxes in addition to Zakat for the purpose of meeting its expenses on such welfare activities.

In yet another verse, the revealed book of Islam ordains: “And they ask thee what they ought to spend. Say: That which is superfluous” –(2:219). From the world “afw” (superfluous) used in this verse, many scholars like Maulana Maududi understand that it provides clear scope for taxation besides Zakat.

4. There is a well known Hadith which says: “There are other claims too on the wealth of a person besides Zakat.” This Hadith is interpreted by the scholars to authorise the Islamic state to impose taxes besides Zakat when the state needs funds for its expenditures. Moreover, the Nisab and rates of Zakat have been prescribed by the Prophet of Islam and the same cannot be changed, according to the opinion of many of the jurists. Thus, the Zakat revenues cannot be increased beyond a certain limit and, therefore, are unable to meet the ever-growing expenses of the state. Therefore, the state will have to explore additional sources.

5. The early jurists of Islam have unanimously held that the Islamic state can impose extra-Shariah taxes or compulsory contributions (whom they call Nawa’ib) in case of emergency needs like war, flood, earth-quake, cyclone, outbreak of epidemic, etc. The Holy Prophet himself asked for contributions for the Battle of Tabuk and his companions even contributed all of their belongings.

6. History bears witness to the fact that taxes in addition to Zakat were levied even in the early period of Islam. Hadrat Umar imposed duties on imports which were called Ushur in those days. He also included the horses (which had not been subjected to Zakat in the time of the Prophet) in the list of properties chargeable to Zakat.

7. It is a cardinal principle of Islamic Jurisprudence that anything which is for the welfare of the Muslim Ummah can be done provided it is not explicitly prohibited by any Injunction of the Qur’an and Sunnah and it also does not violate any tenet of Islam. Thus, the Islamic state can impose taxes to augment its Zakat revenues for the welfare of the Ummah provided in doing so no Injunction of Islam is violated.

Chapter 13: Fundamentals of Islamic Economic System by Dr. Muhammad
Sharif Chaudhry
 
.
According to @Viper0011. chicha Pakistan is already $1.1 trillion economy.

Show me on ONE place where I said that. According to you and your cousins on here, No One can eat Beef in India, or they'd be killed as its insulting to Hinduism !! Now there are proofs of innocent people from minorities getting torched and killed because of Eating BEEF!!!! Show me proof of where I made the statement you accused me of!!

According to latest figure Pakistan economy show some progress and Pakistan GDP cross 270 Billion dollar mark in 2015 and last year Pakistan GDP was 246 Billion dollar and we add some 24 Billion dollar in our GDP. In two years we will reach 5% growth Inshallah.

Our GDP as per PPP is also increase from 884.231 billion dollar to 930.759 Billion dollar with an increase of 46.528 billion dollar

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

@Zarvan @Imran Khan @MastanKhan @Indus Falcon @Horus @WebMaster @fakhre mirpur


Pakistan will have a half Trillion Economy by 2020 (PPP around $ 1.3-1.5 Trillion). Between 2025-2030, Pakistani economy will cross $ 1.0 T (PPP over $ 2.5 T). The system, political stability and peace are "must have" for this. Within two decades, Pakistan will be competing with Australia (again if the system and the peace continues to remain in effect).

Imagine common people's lifestyle in Pakistan, when you are head-on with countries like Australia....and how Pakistan would look like, internally. It'd be like Dubai in all major cities of Pakistan (majority of them, without the ocean of course). Good going!!


Nothing new here. Same stuff I've explained here since 2013!! Now things have started to come out and show progress.

When I used to talk about such growth, it would seem like a dream to people as they'd never seen Pakistan grow like that. Now its happening in real life!!
 
.
Now I have another question. Pakistan is an Islamic state. If and when someone starts tax reforms, and ppl and mullahs go out in the streets and starts saying, that in Islam there is nothing as Tax, so why should we pay tax. The government can get our annually Zakat, and that's it... then what ?

IMO, ppl can change 180 degrees, when it comes to money

Who says taxes are forbidden in Islamic law?

Exploitative taxation is forbidden. Anyways, just like in any other legal system--Islamic legal system has various view points about various issues and nothing is set in stone (other than fundamental Islamic rules which are unique to Islam)
 
.
Such news are utter nonsense. What do they mean for a common man? NOTHING !
Yeah lets have $0 GDP because GDP doesn't do anything for common man.

Down with GDP!

Growth rate is no doubt important but


Just look at the millions of impoverished people who struggle to make both ends meet and then see if you can celebrate the growth of GDP ! Its easy to play an economist and talk bollocks about GDP growth (or score political points).
There are millions of impoverished in USA too. Hell we have poverty in Canada and we're in recession. Many people in USA live off food stamps, there are no jobs etc. Clearly USA needs to tone down their trillion dollar economy and focus on poverty instead.

Well he's blind PTI follower.

other day he said Nawaz is "pimping" his daughter in front of others.

Show me on ONE place where I said that. According to you and your cousins on here, No One can eat Beef in India, or they'd be killed as its insulting to Hinduism !! Now there are proofs of innocent people from minorities getting torched and killed because of Eating BEEF!!!! Show me proof of where I made the statement you accused me of!!




Pakistan will have a half Trillion Economy by 2020 (PPP around $ 1.3-1.5 Trillion). Between 2025-2030, Pakistani economy will cross $ 1.0 T (PPP over $ 2.5 T). The system, political stability and peace are "must have" for this. Within two decades, Pakistan will be competing with Australia (again if the system and the peace continues to remain in effect).

Imagine common people's lifestyle in Pakistan, when you are head-on with countries like Australia....and how Pakistan would look like, internally. It'd be like Dubai in all major cities of Pakistan (majority of them, without the ocean of course). Good going!!



Nothing new here. Same stuff I've explained here since 2013!! Now things have started to come out and show progress.

When I used to talk about such growth, it would seem like a dream to people as they'd never seen Pakistan grow like that. Now its happening in real life!!


We need land reforms. It is what picked up south korea and Japan economy. Even China. Back in the days the gov't used to kill waderas.
 
.
Pakistan will have a half Trillion Economy by 2020 (PPP around $ 1.3-1.5 Trillion). Between 2025-2030, Pakistani economy will cross $ 1.0 T (PPP over $ 2.5 T). The system, political stability and peace are "must have" for this. Within two decades, Pakistan will be competing with Australia (again if the system and the peace continues to remain in effect).
Lets remind the good sir what he actually predicted:
upload_2015-11-10_17-38-3.png


few months back the prediction was 10-12 years Pakistan goes from 250 billion to 2 trillion dollars

today it's 10-15 years Pakistan goes from 250 billion to half 1 trillion dollars.

Thats a 50% cut within 5 months by @Viper0011. wonder why, angry with Nawaz Shariff?
 
.
Yeah lets have $0 GDP because GDP doesn't do anything for common man.

Down with GDP!


There are millions of impoverished in USA too. Hell we have poverty in Canada and we're in recession. Many people in USA live off food stamps, there are no jobs etc. Clearly USA needs to tone down their trillion dollar economy and focus on poverty instead.


Well he's blind PTI follower.

other day he said Nawaz is "pimping" his daughter in front of others.




We need land reforms. It is what picked up south korea and Japan economy. Even China. Back in the days the gov't used to kill waderas.

Comparing Pakistan with US and Canada?
Yeah lets have $0 GDP because GDP doesn't do anything for common man.

Down with GDP!


There are millions of impoverished in USA too. Hell we have poverty in Canada and we're in recession. Many people in USA live off food stamps, there are no jobs etc. Clearly USA needs to tone down their trillion dollar economy and focus on poverty instead.


Well he's blind PTI follower.

other day he said Nawaz is "pimping" his daughter in front of others.




We need land reforms. It is what picked up south korea and Japan economy. Even China. Back in the days the gov't used to kill waderas.

Any nooni looni patwari style remark is not worth my response.

And yes, Nawaz takla fart is a pimp.
 
. .
We are a 1 Trillion dollar economy , if taxes are collected correctly
And agriculture is done with modern means
 
.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom