Pakistan friends, I think you should buy this two warships

[zhang5521]

I know type 54a has some badass air defense capabilities

I know type 54a has some badass air defense capabilities

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[rockstar08]

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sure , I never stop you
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[Luftwaffe]

@Pakistanisage, the price is not accurate, price you quote is from wiki which is never reliable.

Type 54A is around 375m but as Type 54B development has been announced in 2013, it would be a more interesting product with A degree of advancement compared to 54A perhaps with the same price whereas price of 54A comes down it would be no surprise to go for 54B instead. PN aught to look at capabilities rather than Numbers in limited budgets. As I stated earlier affording 4-5 Warships in 10 year period a decade essentially is achievable excluding further orders of alleged improved F-22P.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Wrong priorities,PN funds should go to submarines.Subs can hold up large numbers of ships with much smaller numbers.On surface ships u need near parity to make a solid contest,since PN can't do that with IN surface fleet..its best area denial weapon are submarines.This should be coupled with cheap multirole frigates and missile boats and surface air defence batteries on coast to give limited air defence from coastline and threat to approaching in ships by missile strikes.Knowing one's strength and limitation is key to success.PN can buy destroyers once its economy is back on its feet.Right now PAK is waging mortal combat vs TTP and most funds will go there.In navy subs are best cheapest weapon to deter greater numbers.

That is a totally Convoluted logic.

I understand the concept of Submarines as a strong weapon for Area/Sea Denial, but you need Surface ships for other roles as Anti-Submarine , Anti-Ship , Anti-Piracy , Air Defence and Point Defence, etc.

If what you said was true then all the smaller Countries will just have submarines, Period.

Pakistan needs a balanced Naval presence to deny sea and area to Enemy Naval Forces.

We are not a Blue Water Navy but even to defend our Littoral Waters we need strong Surface Ships as well as Submarines.

@Pakistanisage, the price is not accurate, price you quote is from wiki which is never reliable.

Type 54A is around 375m but as Type 54B development has been announced in 2013, it would be a more interesting product with A degree of advancement compared to 54A perhaps with the same price whereas price of 54A comes down it would be no surprise to go for 54B instead. PN aught to look at capabilities rather than Numbers in limited budgets. As I stated earlier affording 4-5 Warships in 10 year period a decade essentially is achievable excluding further orders of alleged improved F-22P.

Price can vary as to the Equipment desired.

Type 54B is still on Paper so that is not an option.

Also we suffer from fallacy that everything is up for Sale because it is NOT.

China has to decide what they want to sell and what they don't want to sell and keep it just for their own Navy.

China does not sell every Ship or Aircraft they Produce.

This is why they come up with the Export versions of watered down models to protect their Technology.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

That is a totally Convoluted logic.

I understand the concept of Submarines as a strong weapon for Area/Sea Denial, but you need Surface ships for other roles as Anti-Submarine , Anti-Ship , Anti-Piracy , Air Defence and Point Defence, etc.

If what you said was true then all the smaller Countries will just have submarines, Period.

Pakistan needs a balanced Naval presence to deny sea and area to Enemy Naval Forces.

We are not a Blue Water Navy but even to defend our Littoral Waters we need strong Surface Ships as well as Submarines.

But do u have enough funds to do both simultaneously?If not then which is more cost effective?

 

[Luftwaffe]

Price can vary as to the Equipment desired.

Type 54B is still on Paper so that is not an option.

Also we suffer from fallacy that everything is up for Sale because it is NOT.

China has to decide what they want to sell and what they don't want to sell and keep it just for their own Navy.

China does not sell every Ship or Aircraft they Produce.

This is why they come up with the Export versions of watered down models to protect their Technology.

Type 54B Announced 2013 by now construction might have started it is a major improvement over Type 54A in all aspects A logic choice for Next Generation FFG. Type 54B is not imaginary product. Already Chinese Navy is looking towards Type 55 Destroyer develpment along with 52C/D. Almost every major Arms development country offers Export model nothing new here it is the customer that chooses what it needs more and that increases costs. Whether it is Type 54A it will cost 350m min and the price will go up adding weapons and other modifications. If it is about Hull by now PN should be able to develop 3500 tonnage hull it is the systems, technologies combined together that make sense, even iranians can develop large tonnage ships if they want.

China might not be ready to offer Destroyers until they have good in Numbers compared to FFGs. As for the Aircraft Types the reasons were most of technologies and engines were from russia so PAF could never obtained them it was already so hard enough to get RD-93 with great negotiation efforts from China russians finally agreed other than that Flankers/Van Guards, PAF itself was not interested in other Aircraft Types.

Obviously PN is already busy....obtaining 54B with-in 10 years makes sense if PN wants by than 54A would be outdated and would need modernization so why not 54B.

 

[VelocuR]

I believe submarine deal is already taking place before considering 052 Destroyers. We don't know which submarines whether noisy S20 or other silent killer SSK.

China, Pakistan set for submarine deal by end of year, say officials
02 February 2014

Pakistan could sign a deal to buy up to six submarines from China before the end of 2014, senior Pakistani government officials have told IHS Jane's .

A Pakistani government minister revealed in March 2011 that China had offered to sell up to six submarines to Pakistan although he did not specify details of the boats on offer. Western officials in Islamabad suggest that China's subsequent international marketing of the 'S20' or Yuan-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK) suggests it could be a potential option for Pakistan.

A senior Pakistani government official told IHS Jane's that "the technical details are almost done. The present discussions are mainly about the financing details". A second Pakistani government official confirmed that "the contract is in an advanced stage and discussions will not linger on for too long. Realistically, we should have a deal by end 2014".

The submarine contract would further cement China's rapidly growing role as the main supplier of military hardware to Pakistan's armed forces and fill an important gap in Pakistan Navy (PN) capabilities. The PN is known to operate five French submarines: three Agosta 90B (Khalid-class) submarines purchased in the 1990s and two ageing Agosta 70 (Hashmat-class) boats dating from the late 1970s. In 2009, the PN sought to purchase three German-built Type 214 submarines, but the plan was put on hold due to costs that at the time were reported to be in excess of USD2 billion.

Recent Sino-Pakistan contracts of potential interest to Islamabad's strategic interests include China's agreement to provide two large civil nuclear reactors to be based close to Karachi. According to Pakistani officials China's Eximbank agreed to extend a USD6.5 billion loan for the two reactors.

Additionally, the Sino-Pakistani-built JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft is reportedly the subject of talks between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia: a potential deal that Western officials said would not be discussed without Beijing's explicit consent.

COMMENT

A Sino-Pakistan submarine contract will be closely watched by Western officials for any signs that may suggest progression towards nuclear-powered boats. Pakistan's defence planners consider the absence of such a platform - which they would eventually want to see armed with submarine-launched nuclear ballistic missiles - as major disadvantage in a potential conflict with India.

However, Western officials believe China will hesitate to extend such advanced technology to Pakistan given the potential for a harsh reaction from the United States and its allies.

 

[Pakistanisage]

But do u have enough funds to do both simultaneously?If not then which is more cost effective?

We have funds for both. It is just a matter picking and choosing what to buy.

PN has always been a Brown Water Navy and had both Surface Ships as well as Submarines since 1960's.

 

[random123]

But PN is looking for Type 041 which is 3500 Tons but BN is looking for 2++ S-20s...

 

[waz]

Pakistan practically should be operating around 20 surface vessels, excluding missile boats, to ensure our strength in the Arabian Sea. Parity with India is not needed and countless naval battles are testament to a smaller foe beating a larger one. What is needed is quality and the next step for the Navy is 054A frigate, as the F22P serve a role that is fit for literal water defence, but not much more. Pakistan's navy needs to go beyond this scope. This is of course when funds permit.

Larger ships such as the 052D can come much later, when the economy is booming (I hope). At this point the navy is woefully under par.....

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan seems to have more chinese weapon then chiese themselves ....what a China Market....lolzz