Pakistan First ! The case for Pakistani Nationalism.

[Cliftonite]

Cliftonite, read my post on Poonja above. I don't think our friend knows what I am talking about. Could you drop a hint?

You always miss my sarcasm
I always push "logic" to the extreme
till it becomes as Spock would say "illogical ".
My post on Ashraf is genuine, but sarcastic.

I am in concurrence with the Ashrafian snooty view.

The remolding of history is such that the tame Bengali majority were demonized and these Sindhi Punjabi Pakhtuns who treat their women as chattel became the defenders of Pakistan.

Till date the most evolved and peaceful community of Pakistan happens to be the Gilgit Baltistanis. But they're thrown to the side to please the Gujjar Azad Kashmiris. The same Azad Kashmiris who represent our country so BEAUTIFULLY in Britain.

Every community that had a hand in creating Pakistan has been demonized. Ahmadis, Ismailis, Shias.

These wolves deserve each other.

 

[Baibars_1260]

The Potohari-Punjabi tries to portray himself as the most patriotic. Even though its him who caused our country's breakup in 1971. I love how no one can question that.

I wouldn't blame it on the common Potohari soldiers but on the mindset that the Ummah is supreme ; linguistic and ethnic identities don't matter. Do we have to discuss this trauma?
50 years have passed. We are far stronger than we were in 1965 and 1971.
Was distressed about your claim that Urdu speaking Pakistanis are leaving, This Land is your Land.
Yeh watan tumhara hai ...
Be proud! Pakistan First !

 

[Cliftonite]

I wouldn't blame it on the common Potohari soldiers but on the mindset that the Ummah is supreme ; linguistic and ethnic identities don't matter. Do we have to discuss this trauma?
50 years have passed. We are far stronger than we were in 1965 and 1971.
Was distressed about your claim that Urdu speaking Pakistanis are leaving, This Land is your Land.
Yeh watan tumhara hai ...
Be proud! Pakistan First !

Yes. We must.

The Bengalis had to be kept in line by the martial race Indus folks. How dare the Bingos exceed their auqaat? The wily Pashtuns blowing up at every corner circa 2013 were never given this reprimand. Martial race brothers jo hain.

The Urdu speakers are leaving because this country seems to have no future.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The Potohari-Punjabi tries to portray himself as the most patriotic. Even though its him who caused our country's breakup in 1971. I love how no one can question that.

.........don't know how I managed to do that as I wasn't even alive in 1971....................just stick to worshipping and being the slave of anti-Pakistani/Muslim sanghis on PDF............:

Yes. We must.

The Bengalis had to be kept in line by the martial race Indus folks. How dare the Bingos exceed their auqaat? The wily Pashtuns blowing up at every corner circa 2013 were never given this reprimand. Martial race brothers jo hain.

The Urdu speakers are leaving because this country seems to have no future.

So says the worshipper of hindu/sanghi extremists on PDF..........:

 

[Baibars_1260]

I am in concurrence with the Ashrafian snooty view.

Sarcasm missed again. But this was directed at the boys from Luton, Rugby, Coventry, Leeds, and West Bromwich.,
In North America we have no need for such sarcasm.,

The remolding of history is such that the tame Bengali majority were demonized.

Might disagree there, The Bengali majority was not tame.. The holocaust and expulsion of Hindus from that region is evidence.

Till date the most evolved and peaceful community of Pakistan happens to be the Gilgit Baltistanis. But they're thrown to the side to please the Gujjar Azad Kashmiris. The same Azad Kashmiris who represent our country so BEAUTIFULLY in Britain.

Perhaps, but their insularity is restrictive. Actually the Urdu speaking emigre population from Karachi and Lahore ( Urdu speaking elite) are the star performers in the professional spheres, medicine, engineering, university jobs

Every community that had a hand in creating Pakistan has been demonized. Ahmadis, Ismailis, Shias.
These wolves deserve each other.

Which is why I posted the picture of Jina Poonja.
Ok I am done with this thread.
Looks like we are dumping the ideals of the Founders of Pakistan just as our friendly neighbors next door are dumping their Father of the nation.

Am starting another thread.
"Are Pakistan and Jinnah dumping the legacies of Gandhi and Jinnah ? "

 

[Baibars_1260]

Are you being serious when you said your alleged indian so called "Muslim" friend believed that Pakistanis are more similar to indian hindus and sikhs than indian so called "Muslims"

If I wasn't serious why would I write such a lengthy post?
TBH that guy did have a point.
But seriously don't you think a good pronunciation helps.
I mean why say "Ikbal " when it is "Iqbal" .
Also why say Hai Rabba when the correct term is "Ya Rabb-ul- Alameen"
Oh that Indian guy was also complaining that a person for our northwestern province he ran into didn't know what the Ayat ul Kursi (the throne verse) was. I shut him up, and said the religious education in our northwestern province is excellent.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

If I wasn't serious why would I write such a lengthy post?
TBH that guy did have a point.
But seriously don't you think a good pronunciation helps.
I mean why say "Ikbal " when it is "Iqbal" .
Also why say Hai Rabba when the correct term is "Ya Rabb-ul- Alameen"
Oh that Indian guy was also complaining that a person for our northwestern province he ran into didn't know what the Ayat ul Kursi (the throne verse) was. I shut him up, and said the religious education in our northwestern province is excellent.

So then you believe that Pakistanis have far more in common with indian hindus and sikhs than indian so called "Muslims" do........ ..........

 

[Baibars_1260]

Yes. We must.

The Bengalis had to be kept in line by the martial race Indus folks. How dare the Bingos exceed their auqaat? The wily Pashtuns blowing up at every corner circa 2013 were never given this reprimand. Martial race brothers jo hain.

The Urdu speakers are leaving because this country seems to have no future.

At least give me a "Like" on the post with Jinapoonja. The ignorance of out friend is profound, I thought you would help.

So then you believe that Pakistanis have far more in common with indian hindus and sikhs than indian so called "Muslims" do........ ..........

I don't believe that. The Indian Muslims think you are superficially similar:
Look :

 

[Baibars_1260]

@PAKISTANFOREVER
Are you being serious when you said your alleged indian so called "Muslim" friend believed that Pakistanis are more similar to indian hindus and sikhs than indian so called "Muslim"

Actually, I only posted the gist of the conversation. It was a lengthy discussion.
One question they asked for which I had no immediate answer.
Why do Punjabi Pakistanis have titles or last names such as , Cheema, Ghumman, Sethi, Majithia, Bajwa, Chopra, Bhatti
In India these are all Sikh or Hindu names. North Indian Muslims keep Arab last names, Madni, Makki, Siddique, Ahmed etc.

I said:
"I don't know. But all the persons with these last names are Muslims."

 

[Cliftonite]

If I wasn't serious why would I write such a lengthy post?
TBH that guy did have a point.
But seriously don't you think a good pronunciation helps.
I mean why say "Ikbal " when it is "Iqbal" .
Also why say Hai Rabba when the correct term is "Ya Rabb-ul- Alameen"
Oh that Indian guy was also complaining that a person for our northwestern province he ran into didn't know what the Ayat ul Kursi (the throne verse) was. I shut him up, and said the religious education in our northwestern province is excellent.

This Pakistan forever dude is like a rusty cassette. He only mutters 10 rote learned lines followed by a lot of dots........and an emoji after that.

Indian so called Muslims have nothing in common with Pakistanis

Sikhs killed 1 million Pakistanis

Indians are the most ugly- followed by a news link of condoms being too big for Indian men

Yada yada. You'll memorize his lines after some time cause he repeats them like clockwork.

 

[Baibars_1260]

This Pakistan forever dude is like a rusty cassette. He only mutters 10 rote learned lines followed by a lot of dots........and an emoji after that.

Indian so called Muslims have nothing in common with Pakistanis

Sikhs killed 1 million Pakistanis

Indians are the most ugly- followed by a news link of condoms being too big for Indian men

Yada yada. You'll memorize his lines after some time cause he repeats them like clockwork.

Would you educate him about Jinapoonja or should some one else do that ?

 

[Cliftonite]

Would you educate him about Jinapoonja or should some one else do that ?

Who cares. Jinnah Poonja and his legacy are gone. Far far away from Pakistan.

His daughter died in New York. His grandson lives in Malabar Hill.

All his companions are scattered. Sir Zafarullah Khan's community have to pay smugglers to smuggle them out of this shithole. Raja Mehmoodabad's grandson is teaching in Aligarh and battling for his property. Liaquat Ali Khan settled migrants into Karachi and the Sindhis make sure we pay the price for that act every day. His wife's community watches their words every time lest they share the fate of Asiya Masih. Nawab of Bahawalpur's grandson watches his state turning into desertified backwaters everyday.

Decisions should not be taken in haste.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Who cares. Jinnah Poonja and his legacy are gone. Far far away from Pakistan.

I meant the way @PAKISTANFOREVER referred to "worthless Indian "Muslim" Hindu converts" ..,
Well, if it hadn't been for one Indian Muslim Hindu Convert.... there may have not been @PAKISTANFOREVER ...
Nice thread below.,,

The Legacy of Mr Jinnah... 1876-1948

The Legacy of Mr Jinnah 1876-1948 The Pakistan that emerged in 1947 was a mere shadow of what Jinnah had wanted. Exactly 70 years to the day, on December 25, 1947, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah agreed to be photographed reading Dawn – the newspaper he had founded. The headline on the...

defence.pk

Don't want to mess up this thread with flame baits so will start a new thread.

 

[peagle]

I wouldn't blame it on the common Potohari soldiers but on the mindset that the Ummah is supreme ; linguistic and ethnic identities don't matter. Do we have to discuss this trauma?
50 years have passed. We are far stronger than we were in 1965 and 1971.
Was distressed about your claim that Urdu speaking Pakistanis are leaving, This Land is your Land.
Yeh watan tumhara hai ...
Be proud! Pakistan First !

The so called Urdu speaking are marrying Punjabis, Sindhis, and everyone else where the match fits. This is personal experience talking, others are moving to places like Lahore and Islamabad without any issues. I've already blocked some idiots here, read the post offline, so adding my bits.

I have met all the communities of Pakistan, especially made the efforts to meet the ones from the so called anti blocks.
You know what I found, they bloody love Pakistan more then I do, lol, even the ones who had some ghussa. Some people are nutcases, like the one you replied to, better not to feed them. Around roughly 15 years ago I met an MQM activist, hiding in Laos, enjoyed a beer with him on the Banks of the Mekong river. Massive supporter of Altaf "bhai", had his fair share of complaints, but when it came to Pakistan, I am sure he would have shot me, if I had said anything deliberately negative.

Pakistan is in our blood, no mater what anyone says, the day 100 out 100 Pakistanis only talk positive, and have nothing negative to say, is the day I will be worried, the true sign of a healthy and vibrant society is when there is some criticism, and the tolerance of that criticism. As long as it is only a small minority, and that's all we have. Still, it doesn't mean we have to shut up and take it, especially, if they are wrong.

p.s.
I did not reply to your invite to participate, because I could see where this discussion would go, all talk and no conclusion. Argument for the sake of arguments, rather then looking for a conclusion, although if the mood changes, I may decide to reply to your original questions, because, your questions were full of fallacies to start with, lol, so even before replying, I feel I would have to provide some corrections lol, because your questions ignored certain realities.

 

[peagle]

So then you believe that Pakistanis have far more in common with indian hindus and sikhs than indian so called "Muslims" do........ ..........

@Baibars_1260 bhai jaan, I though you had more sense then this, please remember you are Pakistani, we don't live in fantasies, like our neighbours lol

Honestly, I love Indians, mostly on an individual level, I have far more Indian friends then Pakistani, of every major religious group, but they are delusional when it comes to Pakistan, Muslims and Islam, even the Muslims themselves.

And, no, the Sikhs and Hindus, have a lot, a lot, I mean a lot less common with us then Muslims of India. Those poor creatures are hostages of the Hindu majority, I could tell you stories that would shock you. But, I wont, because I wish for peace, and sadly, prefer the feel good stories because they incubate peace, unless pushed against the wall, then, you know, jihad comes out, lol, even thought I haven't prayed for God knows how long.