Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[shanis]

1.3 Billion already being invested to upgrade A/Bs to C/Ds.. no more money to take them to 60 standard

better now we will go upgrade block 2 to AESA engine ... because its new aircraft and will do service for Pakistan for Long long time IN SHA ALLAH ... but first we have to make JF thunder like 4.5 generation.

 

[Basel]

PAF done a mistake not going for AESA for new n MLUed F-16s. Although 68-V-9 is potent radar but not enough for PAF because F-16s r still front line fighter n they had to face a superior foe in terms of tech n numbers.

For those who think AESA upgrade is not easy or possible please google SABR or RACR.
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Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) for the F-16
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Raytheon Company: Raytheon's Advanced Combat Radar (RACR)

 

[PK_Patriot]

Well there is a plan to upgrade mki to super sukhoi standard with new radars, uprated engines and reduced rcs etc. Rafale, Tejas are needed because we have a large fleet of old aircrafts to replace with them say around 300 of them.

May be Tejas + sukhoi isn't working for India for China threat

1.3 Billion already being invested to upgrade A/Bs to C/Ds.. no more money to take them to 60 standard

There is always money out of 30 billion dollars annual budget !

Adding an Aesa Radar to F-16 is not that simple as adding a deck to your car.

Such Addition would require redesigning the nose section of F-16.

It is easier for PAF to make such modification to JF-17 , since we have all the rights for modifications on that Fighter Aircraft.

I think I have shared in start of the thread that how south korean are upgrading their F-16 thunder to AESA

 

[SQ8]

yes you are right ... that's the point ...... who will think about Upgrade our defense in army, air force, navy etc .... PML N will not do upgrade or new things.
what will we do with Metro ... PML N has to go for upgrade defense and will go for New things now...

You will reduce emissions to a certain extent and provide cheap transportation which is important for the economy. A better economy gets you cash to make these or better purchases later. Lets not be short sighted as we ALWAYS are.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Lockheed: F-16V Passes Radar Integration Milestone
Aug. 21, 2014 - 12:59PM | By AARON MEHTA |

Lockheed Martin's F-16V passed a major milestone this week. (Neal Chapman/Lockheed Martin)

WASHINGTON — Lockheed Martin has moved forward with a major milestone on its F-16V upgrade, the company announced this week.
The company completed a Critical Design Review to ensure Northrop Grumman’s Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) design has met requirements handed down by the US Air Force. The improved radar capabilities brought by SABR are at the core of the F-16V modification.
“Completing this milestone on schedule demonstrates our ability to meet program commitments,” Roderick McLean, vice president and general manager of the F-16/F-22 Integrated Fighter Group at Lockheed Martin, said in a company statement. “It proves once again why customers turn to Lockheed Martin to upgrade their F-16 fleets and advance the mission capability of the world’s most effective 4th generation multi-role fighter.”
Taiwan is slated to be the first customer to receive the F-16V upgrade. In addition to SABR, the upgrade enhances the electronic warfare suite, mission computer and cockpit.
While Lockheed and US officials insist radar upgrades for Taiwan’s F-16 fleet are still on track, officials in Taiwan have expressed concerns over a US Air Force decision to back out of a major avionics update known as CAPES.
Northrop was selected by Lockheed over competitor Raytheon to provide the radar upgrade in a hotly contested battle. The upgrade market for F-16s, operated by 25 countries, is expected to remain a fertile growth area for companies at a time when new jet production is coming down.
The F-16V will be the most advanced model of the F-16, at a time when the legacy models are showing wear and tear. The US Air Force has ordered all F-16B and D models be checked for damage after a series of cracks grounded over half its F-16D fleet.■
Email: amehta@defensenews.com.

I read this yesterday, and I thought about the prospect of our F-16s acquiring AESA radars (SABR or RACR). It seems to me that PAF would find it hard to finance this for the whole fleet. In case we go for 18 more F-16 Blk 52, we may get AESA radar upgrade for 36 Blk 52.

 

[PK_Patriot]

You will reduce emissions to a certain extent and provide cheap transportation which is important for the economy. A better economy gets you cash to make these or better purchases later. Lets not be short sighted as we ALWAYS are.

None of his projects are fueling economy

 

[SQ8]

None of his projects are fueling economy

So AESA radars and F-16s will?

 

[PK_Patriot]

So AESA radars and F-16s will?

Not economy but defense ,,,,, metro 0 contribution to economy

 

[SQ8]

Not economy but defense ,,,,, metro 0 contribution to economy

Without an economy, your defence is a hollow bag of air that will burst open at the slightest problem.

 

[PK_Patriot]

Without an economy, your defence is a hollow bag of air that will burst open at the slightest problem.

Agreed!

 

[SQ8]

Why spend on upgrading the F-16?

China, Pak in MoU to develop stealth variant on JF-17 Thunder

China and Pakistan have reportedly signed a memorandum of understanding to develop a stealth version of a light-weight fighter aircraft being jointly produced by them.

The journal said that Pakistan Air Force (PAK) is expected to acquire around 250 JF-17s, but this may be a split of 100 in the JF-17 configuration, being displayed at the air show here, and 150 of the stealth multi-role combat aircraft (MCRA) between 2015 and 2025.

China, Pak in MoU to develop stealth variant on JF-17 Thunder

So there you have it. A cost effective 5th gen stealth aircraft by 2015!

Come up with a better report than the Deccan Herald and keep your pithy sarcasm out of this thread. Banned.

 

[PakEye]

Without an economy, your defence is a hollow bag of air that will burst open at the slightest problem.

Agreed!

The Economically strong countaries like
Saudi Arabia , Kuwait and Qatar
are totally depend on USA and west for Defense

defense and economy both are necessary for Pakistan.

 

[shanis]

Without an economy, your defence is a hollow bag of air that will burst open at the slightest problem.

agreed but my friend right now ... keep hand on your heart ... and ask a question how can you match with 4.5 generation aircraft's ... right now india has 200 su 30mki and going for 5th generation .... but where we are ... every country have AESA or latest defense and aircrafts but we are still going for Used F-16 ....

The Economically strong countaries like
Saudi Arabia , Kuwait and Qatar
are totally depend on USA and west for Defense

defense and economy both are necessary for Pakistan.

Economically when we will be strong i dont know ... when we are going to waste 1.2 billion on metro which is just useless and just few thousand people use Metro ......................... we can use 1.2 billion on our AESA system in JF..17 block 2 and in Block 3 we will use AESA with that time latest upgrade or better with AESA but ............... ?

 

[PK_Patriot]

The Economically strong countaries like
Saudi Arabia , Kuwait and Qatar
are totally depend on USA and west for Defense

defense and economy both are necessary for Pakistan.

They don't have population and land like Pakistan ..... Qatar has world's highest GDP per capita after Luxembourg ,,,, but both of them have no population ! They can't even keep an army of 10K

agreed but my friend right now ... keep hand on your heart ... and ask a question how can you match with 4.5 generation aircraft's ... right now india has 200 su 30mki and going for 5th generation .... but where we are ... every country have AESA or latest defense and aircrafts but we are still going for Used F-16 ....



Economically when we will be strong i dont know ... when we are going to waste 1.2 billion on metro which is just useless and just few thousand people use Metro ......................... we can use 1.2 billion on our AESA system in JF..17 block 2 and in Block 3 we will use AESA with that time latest upgrade or better with AESA but ............... ?

Upgrade all F-16 to block 60 by introducing AESA radars along with all version of JF-17 thunder with AESA and smart BVRs

 

[PakEye]

They don't have population and land like Pakistan ..... Qatar has world's highest GDP per capita after Luxembourg ,,,, but both of them have no population ! They can't even keep an army of 10K

what is the number of population of Israel ??
and
What is the number of Israeli armed forces ??