Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Arsalan]

Arslan bhai ghussa na karain, JUST CHILL

Haieennn

No bro, no GUSA!
just discussing my observations and information dear!


thanks!

 

[fatman17]

^^^give it up guys!!!

 

[Arsalan]

Donatello.
He is not the only person, there are several sources, visitors and base personnel of Shahbaz airbase, who claim that 36 F-16 Block 52 are present. It would have been perfectly fine, if they assure us that 36 F-16s are present, which is for sure, but adding a 'Block 52' at the end makes things suspicious.

When PAF got the first 2 MLU F-16s from US along a F-16D (10801), some media reports said after the induction ceremony, that PAF has received 18 Block 52 F-16s. The question is, are they talking about the older F-16s or was a new delivery actually made? ISPR hides a lot of things for strategic reasons, but f-16.net didn't report any more sales.

as for those reports, they were regarding the 18th Blk-52 being delivered.
we had 17 Blk52 previously and the LAST one came with the two MLU aircraft.

PAF have a total of 18 Blk-52 as of now and an option of additional 18 was available but with now with JFT maturing an d FC-20 around the corner, that seem unlikely to happen

 

[SBD-3]

as for those reports, they were regarding the 18th Blk-52 being delivered.
we had 17 Blk52 previously and the LAST one came with the two MLU aircraft.

PAF have a total of 18 Blk-52 as of now and an option of additional 18 was available but with now with JFT maturing an d FC-20 around the corner, that seem unlikely to happen

H Khan of Pakdef said it a while ago that PAF was considering exercise of the option of another 18...

 

[Last Hope]

as for those reports, they were regarding the 18th Blk-52 being delivered.
we had 17 Blk52 previously and the LAST one came with the two MLU aircraft.

PAF have a total of 18 Blk-52 as of now and an option of additional 18 was available but with now with JFT maturing an d FC-20 around the corner, that seem unlikely to happen

Exactly that's what the dilemma is. Pakistan had option for 36 F-16s, they chose 18 and have option of 18 F-16s open.
No one except for base personnel claim that 36 F-16s are with PAF.

I've got the list of serials of F-16s of Pakistan, and the base/squadron they are in. The only possibility is that the 18 more 'invisible' F-16s are transferred from other base, which is highly unlikely, unless those are for training of pilots for MLU.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

Well i don,t think that we need additional f-16 block 52s, mean we should invest in jf-17 rather than buying costly f-16s.
fc-20 is also a more viable option as compared to f-16.

 

[Nishan_101]

Although the best thing was to get 28 old F-16s in 2002-2003 and upgrade them to MLU-3 and then invest more on JF-17 Production as well as K-8s and their further development. I was hoping that the JF-17 Block-Is will have Composites, IFRP, RD-93B and FLIR along with a dual seat that might have joined in 2008. But they were like leaving the JF-17 project on its own, although the GoP didn't provided the money for the production which is quite bad and if they have supported then it will be totally different now.
Fleet in 2012
59 F-16s Block-15 MLU-3
110 JF-17 Block-Is along(30 dual seat)
180 Mirage III/Vs
170 F-7/F-7PGs
50 Super Mushak
50 K-8Ps
50 JF-17 Dual seat for AJTs

 

[razgriz19]

36 means 36 I mean if they saw them only then they claimed it , I mean why would they lie they could have lied and said 80f16 but they only reported the number that we had option for it anyways not like it was secret

they are Pakistani reporters. Mirages are still "Jadeed Tareen" fighters for them.
and besides MLUed blk 15s also landed at shahbaz, maybe there are more blk 15 aircrafts there and the reporter simply mistaken them as 36 Blk 52...

 

[proindian]

Pakistan received F-16 Block 52 C
February 6, 2012

A fleet of four F16 aircrafts provided by the US have officially been introduced into Pakistan Air Force today in a ceremonial at the Shahbaz Airbase. One of them was the latest model of F-16 Block 52.

The three F-16s are part of a batch of 18 aircrafts to be given to the Pakistan Air Force by the end of the year.

The following ceremonial was presided by, Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, US Air Chief General Schwartz, US ambassador to Pakistan Anne Patterson and other senior civil and military officials.

This imported fleet will indeed strengthen the Pakistan Air Force fleet. The Ambassador Anne Patterson said the US is escalating collaboration with Pakistan in the financial and power segments as well.

The second phase of consignment will add five F-16 Block 52 C fighter jets and would be complete within a period of month and a half.



“The jet fighters were flown from the US to Jacobabad by Pakistan Air Force pilots, who had recently completed training on the new aircraft in the US,” Air Commodore Tariq Qamar Yazdanie told The Express Tribune. Air Marshal Muhammad Hasan, Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (Operations), Air Marshal Waseemud Din, Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (Administration), along with other senior Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officials, received the jets.



The most recent Fighting Falcons rolling off the Lockheed Martin’s manufacture line in Fort Worth, Texas, are superior Block 50/52 and recently, Block 60 editions. These fabrication series symbolize the largest design change in the F-16 history, offering supplementary fuel and payload ability, new or better avionics and sensors, color cockpit displays with enhanced pilot/vehicle interfaces. Nine countries have already ordered Advanced Block 50/52/60 F-16s, counting the Greece, Israel, UAE, Chile, Pakistan and Poland.


The F-16 Block 52 that arrived Pakistan today also carries the Westinghouse AN/APG-68 V (5) radar, which provides longer range recognition against air targets and superior dependability. The radar has a programmable signal central processing unit that utilizes very high-speed integrated circuit (VHSIC) technology. The next consignment will be definitely beneficial for Pakistan.

Pakistan received F-16 Block 52 C | The Techlusion

 

[Manticore]

 

[Nishan_101]

Man I think that PAF would have concentrated more on JF-17 program like using Composites, RD-93Bs, Retractable In-Flight Refueling Probe and FLIR in the PT-06 along with the trainer to fly in 2007 and complete its test and get inducted in 2008 with the same things that are present on single one then I am sure even the PAF with Chinese and local avionics would have gone for 110 JF-17 Block-Is with 30 Dual seat and about 50 Dual seat as dedicated AJTs along with producing 50 K-8Ps at PAC and further developing on a 25%-75% basis on K-8IIs with Composites, new Chinese engine, IFRB and other design and structural changes. More over looking towards producing 50-70 FC-20s at PAC then it will be a totally different PAF. I am with the 28 F-16s but not the new ones.

 

[Infinite]

Man I think that PAF would have concentrated more on JF-17 program like using Composites, RD-93Bs, Retractable In-Flight Refueling Probe and FLIR in the PT-06 along with the trainer to fly in 2007 and complete its test and get inducted in 2008 with the same things that are present on single one then I am sure even the PAF with Chinese and local avionics would have gone for 110 JF-17 Block-Is with 30 Dual seat and about 50 Dual seat as dedicated AJTs along with producing 50 K-8Ps at PAC and further developing on a 25%-75% basis on K-8IIs with Composites, new Chinese engine, IFRB and other design and structural changes. More over looking towards producing 50-70 FC-20s at PAC then it will be a totally different PAF. I am with the 28 F-16s but not the new ones.

You also have to look at the adversary - We need high lo combination - These F-16's are vital for defense against Rafale and Su-30's.JF-17 alone won't provide us cover against these jets.I think PAF made a very good choice by buying Block 52- The Aim 120 capability is something that no nation except US could have provided us - AIM120 is the most lethal BVR Weapon that clearly helped PAF ALOT ( As PAF was pretty much BVR-LESS Before We got these).

 

[fatman17]

You also have to look at the adversary - We need high lo combination - These F-16's are vital for defense against Rafale and Su-30's.JF-17 alone won't provide us cover against these jets.I think PAF made a very good choice by buying Block 52- The Aim 120 capability is something that no nation except US could have provided us - AIM120 is the most lethal BVR Weapon that clearly helped PAF ALOT ( As PAF was pretty much BVR-LESS Before We got these).

LETRI SD-10/PL-12

While some confusion remains about designations, most sources identify the SD-10 and PL-12 as the
same missile, China's equivalent to the AMRAAM. This weapon is in sizing and configuration very similar
to the AIM-120A, but employs a unique tail planform. Equipped with an active radar seeker, and datalink
aided inertial midcourse guidance, this missile is a credible player against the AMRAAM and R-77 series.
The indigenous AMR-1 active seeker is identified with the PL-12, and numerous reports exist claiming that
it is a derivative of the Russian Agat 9B-1348E seeker package used in the R-77 series. The production
status of the PL-12 is unclear, but the missile has been claimed as a future weapon for the indigenous J-
10 fighter and the Su-27SK and Su-30, replacing imported R-77s on the latter. There is little doubt that
the PL-12 closes most of the technology gap between Chinese built BVR missiles and in service Western
BVR missiles.

assessment by the ADF

 

[fatman17]

Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM

The AMRAAM is the result of an ambitious 1980s plan to replace the AIM-7 with an active radar-guided
BVR weapon with much greater range performance. The program experienced extensive difficulties in
development and cost overruns. The earliest AIM-120A entered service during the late 1980s with US Air
Force F-15C units, the weapon was first used during Desert Storm and subsequent No Fly Zone
operations. It has now replaced the AIM-7 in most US units and has been widely exported to close US
allies, including Australia. As the AIM-120 uses inertial guidance with midcourse datalink updates
transmitted by the launch aircraft, integration of the weapon requires extensive radar upgrades. The LAU-
127A/A, LAU-128A/A and LAU-129A/A launchers are used with digital Mil-Std-1760 interfaces.
The earliest AIM-120A was 'hard-wired', requiring hardware upgrades to change the embedded code in
the WGU-16B. The improved AIM-120B introduced the WGU-41/B seeker with Electrically Erasable
Programmable Read Only Memory storage, permitting the missile seeker code to be upgraded in the field.
The current AIM-120C variant with the WGU-44/B seeker was designed for the F/A-22A and JSF, with
reduced span wings and controls for internal carriage, and a range of other improvements. The AIM-120C-
6 includes fusing changes to improve capability against cruise missiles. Variants with larger rocket motors
have been tested. The AIM-120 will remain the primary BVR missile in US service in coming decades.

assessment by ADF

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan to Purchase Additional F-16 Fighters

19 July 2011

Pakistan is preparing to place an order for 18 additional F-16 block 52+ fighters, which would double its Fighting Falcon's advanced variant fleet, Pakistan Military Consortium think tank Haris Khan has said.

The nation is in the final stages of exercising an option to buy the fighters under a contract awarded in 2006, according to Defence News.

The F-16A/B block 15 aircraft will be put under a planned upgrade to bring the aircraft to the block 40 standard through the Falcon structural augmentation roadmap (STAR) programme.

The aircraft are undergoing mid-life update (MLU) at Turkish Aerospace Industries in Turkey.

The upgraded aircraft will also be equipped with the ITT Systems AN/ALQ-211(v)9 advanced integrated defensive electronic warfare suite (AIDEWS) electronic warfare pod under US foreign military sale programme.

this news is now 8 months old without any further progress!