Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[SQ8]

block 52+ is tecnologically more advanced right?

Well yes.. but it has to be understood that what the upgrade is doing is bringing up the electronics in those F-16's to a level matching Pakistan's brand new F-16 block-52's.
Calling the upgrade to block-50 may be a misnomer.
As F-16 blocks have been named according to the engine they are powered with.
For eg.. Turkey's F-16's are all flying with the general electric F-110 motor. Which is why the latest TuAF F-16's are called Block-50+
All of Pakistan's F-16s are powered by Pratt & Whitney F-100's...now..till block 25..every F-16 was powered by PW engines.
From block 30 onwards.. F-16's were given an alternative engine by GE. So now.. a GE motor powered F-16 is numbered ending in a 0.. such as block 30,40,50,60 . and PW engined F-16's have a 2 in the end.. such as Block 32,42,52.

Turkey chose the GE engines... so its latest aircraft are block 50+.

The MLU'ed F-16's of Pakistan are known as AM/BM's in trade jargon. Their capability will mirror the new Block-52's less the CFTs,engine and integrated AIDEWS.

In other words..and stated correctly.. is that these F-16's are now identical to Turkey's CCIP configuration except the difference in powerplant.

 

[Quasar]

In other words..and stated correctly.. is that these F-16's are now identical to Turkey's CCIP configuration except the difference in powerplant.

if this is the case then Pakistan's F-16s will have

- The AN/APG-69(V)9 radar that is currently being installed on new F-16 Advanced Block 50/52 aircraft
- Color cockpit displays
- The Modular Mission Computer and new avionics processors
- The Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS)
- The Link 16 datalink
- New identification-friend-or-foe (IFF) transponders
- AN/AVS-9 night-vision goggles
- Upgraded navigation systems; and
- BAE Systems' AN/ALQ-178(V)5+ electronic-warfare (EW) system, mounted internally, with radar-warning and jamming capabilities for aircraft self-protection

 

[british bean]

what about the paint job?

 

[Nishan_101]

Üç F-16 Pakistan'a teslim edildi
09 Şubat 2012 Perşembe 00:00
Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii A.Ş'nin (TUSA&#350 modernize ettiği Pakistan Hava Kuvvetlerine ait üç F-16 savaş uçağı, Pakistanlı yetkililere törenle teslim edildi.

Masha ALLAH

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Untill the end of time which is 2012

 

[untitled]

Untill the end of time which is 2012

 

[fatman17]

Within the scope of the Peace Drive II Program, TUSAS also provides classroom and on-the-job training to 72 PAF technicians. Upon completion of their training, the technicians directly participate in the ongoing modernization activities at TUSAS.

when the time comes to MLU the blk 52's or any further F-16 purchases, then PAF will be able to perform the upgrades at PAC. great move PAF.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

The aircraft, which belonged to Pakistani Air Forces, were modernized in Turkey, and delivered to Pakistan with a ceremony on Wednesday Andolu Agency reported.

Turkish Aerospace Industries Inc. (TUSAS) delivered three modernized F-16 aircraft to Pakistan.

The aircraft, which belonged to Pakistani Air Forces, were modernized in Turkey, and delivered to Pakistan with a ceremony on Wednesday.

Turkish Defense Industry Undersecretary Murad Bayar said that Turkey and Pakistan have successfully cooperated in tactics, radio, electronic war and training test center and military information systems so far.

Pakistani Deputy Commander of Air Forces Gen. Asim Suleiman said that Pakistan’s air defense became more successful with the aircraft which were modernized in structural and avionic aspects.

Pakistani Ambassador to Turkey Muhammad Shaukat Haroon said that the project was a sign of friendship and unity of powers between Turkey and Pakistan.

TUSAS, by competing with other F-16 manufacturing companies, has been selected as the contractor, in the tender of Pakistan Air Force F-16 Modernization (Peace Drive II) Program and signed a contract with Pakistan Ministry of Defense in June 2009.

Under the program, TUSAS’s engineers and technicians perform avionics and structural modernization of a total of 41 F-16 aircraft that are in the inventory of Pakistan Air Force (PAF). The test flights of each modernized aircraft are also performed by TUSAS’s F-16 Test Pilots.

The Peace Drive II program, which started in October 2010, is planned to be completed by September 2014. The required parts, material and technical data are furnished to TUSAS in accordance with another contract between U.S. government and PAF.

Within the scope of the Peace Drive II Program, TUSAS also provides classroom and on-the-job training to 72 PAF technicians. Upon completion of their training, the technicians directly participate in the ongoing modernization activities at TUSAS.

TUSAS, which was established for co-production of F-16 aircraft for the Turkish Air Force in 1984, is one of the major aerospace companies in the world at F-16 manufacturing and modernization, with its experience, capabilities and manpower capacity. After manufacturing and delivering a total of 272 F-16s, TUSAS, which has successfully completed avionics and structural modernization of F-16s of the Royal Jordanian Air Force, currently modernizes 175 F-16s of the Turkish Air Force.

TUSAS is the center of technology in design, development, manufacturing, integration of aerospace systems, modernization and after sales support in Turkey.

Picture from the same ceremony.

A PAF F-16AM clearly showing IFF antennas above nose. Notice PAF written on the board B/W crowed.

 

[Ulysses]

Nice going Turkey!

 

[alimobin memon]

f16 am has ? what specs

 

[Manticore]

f16 am has ? what specs

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...6-mlu-specifications-36-blk-52-prospects.html

 

[Pakchina]

Excellent news. Hope that Pakistan and Turkey will enhance their military cooperation in all sectors just like the existing military cooperation between China and Pakistan.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

The first aircraft of of a new batch is always retained untill the end of production run for the order. The aircraft is designated as "Lead the Fleet" aircraft. This is done with all other orders as well. Basically, the LTF is done to ensure later modifications or integration of later weapons, avionics, ergonmics etc. that the user might require after the receipt of the first lot of production batch and the flight and PAT cycle is completed.

The inspection and PAT -- Performance Acceptance Test, is conducted by an independant inspection team on behalf of the user in this case PAF (Paid for and incorporated in the pricing of the program). It is an exhaustive PAT/inspection which is followed up by an exhaustive report to the user on compliance and non-compliance of performance against what was ordered. Mostly the technicians and engineers are ex. USAF or from other airforces with specialisation in the aircraft type they are inspecting. The USAF does an exhaustive flight testing on behalf of user inUS or designated waystation/base.

Some of the NATO airforces do their own flight testing and accpetance in US. Singapore is one of the few non NATO countries that does their PAT in US.

 

[razgriz19]

BASICLY:

block 52 has better engines than block 50

block 52+ has better engines and software than block 50

block 52 has better enngines but block 50+ has better software

block 52+ has better software than block 52....

What Pakistan bought from U.S= block 52+

What Turkey upgraded for Pakistan= block 50+

Turkish upgrade program is on the same level with F-16 CCIP program.

as far as i know the only difference between block 52 and 50 is that they both have different engines. 52 uses Pratt and Whitney, and 50 uses General Electrics.
everything else is same in both aircrafts.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Block 52+ had a candy dispenser