Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Dazzler]

 

[Blacklight]

Brother, Which blk? Wing tips have Aim-120's?

 

[StormBreaker]

Brother, Which blk? Wing tips have Aim-120's?

That seems like Griffins, If i am not wrong, Griffins use MLU’ed F-16s, this is an AM most probably.

There are individuals like that, sure, but the 'group' as a whole just wants to get by to the next day. Folks are simply too tired, distraught, demoralized, etc to act beyond the bare minimum expected of them.

You are speaking your heart out, This feeling, I can relate to it mentally, When the world seems all wrong and messed up, The encouragement and moral seems too low to even try.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

This is assuming all of our decision makers actually think and care about national interest. Sorry to say this, but we Pakistanis are OK doing things 'because it's a job,' not because it's the cause/ideology.

No1 becomes a decision maker in a day or 2. they get this status after a long career not through blogging.. you just do what your doing..!

 

[mshan44]

 

[Dazzler]

Brother, Which blk? Wing tips have Aim-120's?

15 emlu

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

No1 becomes a decision maker in a day or 2. they get this status after a long career not through blogging.. you just do what your doing..!

Yep they had a long and nice career on the public's dime, which makes them accountable to the public and obliges them to answer questions (albeit from those who show understanding of the issue at hand).

When he was khalifa, Umar bin Khattab RA was given nice robes by his son, but when some of the Sahana noticed, they demanded Umar RA tell them how he got those robes. Umar RA said his son gave them, and he added his son got them as part of the spoils.

Accountability isn't key, and it should come from the outside the institution. It's meant to probe apparent holes and understand why mistakes were made so that they don't happen again.

If we had a culture of accountability, we would be an Asian Tiger. Instead, we're treated as the village idiot. And unfortunately, we can't ask our career decision makers why or how the heck we ended up this way.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Yep they had a long and nice career on the public's dime, which makes them accountable to the public and obliges them to answer questions (albeit from those who show understanding of the issue at hand).

When he was khalifa, Umar bin Khattab RA was given nice robes by his son, but when some of the Sahana noticed, they demanded Umar RA tell them how he got those robes. Umar RA said his son gave them, and he added his son got them as part of the spoils.

Accountability isn't key, and it should come from the outside the institution. It's meant to probe apparent holes and understand why mistakes were made so that they don't happen again.

If we had a culture of accountability, we would be an Asian Tiger. Instead, we're treated as the village idiot. And unfortunately, we can't ask our career decision makers why or how the heck we ended up this way.

Bro I have all the answers of the following points you raised but I am not really good in typing nor like to spend time. I just read and very rarely comment..
Points you raised my answer is ( Dil Khush Rakhney ko Galib Yea kheyal acha hai.).

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Bro I have all the answers of the following points you raised but I am not really good in typing nor like to spend time. I just read and very rarely comment..
Points you raised my answer is ( Dil Khush Rakhney ko Galib Yea kheyal acha hai.).

Bro, anyone can have 'answers' for anything, but did I say something factually or morally wrong?

 

[ziaulislam]

Yep they had a long and nice career on the public's dime, which makes them accountable to the public and obliges them to answer questions (albeit from those who show understanding of the issue at hand).

When he was khalifa, Umar bin Khattab RA was given nice robes by his son, but when some of the Sahana noticed, they demanded Umar RA tell them how he got those robes. Umar RA said his son gave them, and he added his son got them as part of the spoils.

Accountability isn't key, and it should come from the outside the institution. It's meant to probe apparent holes and understand why mistakes were made so that they don't happen again.

If we had a culture of accountability, we would be an Asian Tiger. Instead, we're treated as the village idiot. And unfortunately, we can't ask our career decision-makers why or how the heck we ended up this way.

i think your jumping ahead of yourself...Pakistani society hasn't even passed the line to figure it should happen or not..we still believe accountability shouldn't happen..once we pass that line than we will need to figure out how and why...
this is especially true in rich elite, doctors, judges, media personnel, and military..
for example, I have rarely seen an honest doctor in my 7 years of carrier in medicine.. I doubt anyone can be honest in such a setting...

I have rarely seen a judge that doesn't take his commission or even the registrar to judge..you can check any registrar to judge despite being a grade 17 officer(sometimes grade 16) his income reflects in millions..in all my relative cases in judiciary we have paid bribes..bribes to get the case ahead of schedule..bribes to get cases heard, bribes to force judiciary not to postpone it without reason..this isn't wrong even for military..look at the amount of electricity stoled in pakistan...you won't find an example..not that they have to steal to survive or something. all the people who steal electricity run AC 24/7...similar police, judiciary don't need to be corrupt..you dont see police rolling in enough money in USA for example..that hardly cannot afford a house on that salary but in Pakistan, an AC/DC can have assets in billions easily..same is true for the judiciary..the true talent or what should be highly paid people either have to play the same game or leave..if someone is lucky and gets political support it will be short-lived

until society accepts wrong is wrong..rather than crying why me...Pakistan will not move forward..we saw how that played out recently

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Bro, anyone can have 'answers' for anything, but did I say something factually or morally wrong?

The problem with us Pakistanis is that we are morally always right( if its verbal )and practically opposite

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

i think your jumping ahead of yourself...Pakistani society hasn't even passed the line to figure it should happen or not..we still believe accountability shouldn't happen..once we pass that line than we will need to figure out how and why...
this is especially true in rich elite, doctors, judges, media personnel, and military..
for example, I have rarely seen an honest doctor in my 7 years of carrier in medicine.. I doubt anyone can be honest in such a setting...

I have rarely seen a judge that doesn't take his commission or even the registrar to judge..you can check any registrar to judge despite being a grade 17 officer(sometimes grade 16) his income reflects in millions..in all my relative cases in judiciary we have paid bribes..bribes to get the case ahead of schedule..bribes to get cases heard, bribes to force judiciary not to postpone it without reason..this isn't wrong even for military..look at the amount of electricity stoled in pakistan...you won't find an example..not that they have to steal to survive or something. all the people who steal electricity run AC 24/7...similar police, judiciary don't need to be corrupt..you dont see police rolling in enough money in USA for example..that hardly cannot afford a house on that salary but in Pakistan, an AC/DC can have assets in billions easily..same is true for the judiciary..the true talent or what should be highly paid people either have to play the same game or leave..if someone is lucky and gets political support it will be short-lived

until society accepts wrong is wrong..rather than crying why me...Pakistan will not move forward..we saw how that played out recently

Bro that's exactly my point. There's no stomach to question these people and take them to the gutter for their wrongs. So, with such folks in charge, how much good could we realistically expect from the country?

 

[ZedZeeshan]

The problem with us Pakistanis is that we are morally always right( if its verbal )and practically opposite

In Pakistan every1 is right. Nawaz Shareef is right, Zardari is also right, Our media and journalist are also right, listen to bureaucracy they will give right facts and arguments, Molvis are right, listen to the views of artists they are right, Please find me a single person in Pakistan who is wrong...

Bro that's exactly my point. There's no stomach to question these people and take them to the gutter for their wrongs. So, with such folks in charge, how much good could we realistically expect from the country? Its situation won't change. I'm sure both of us had this discussion somewhere else 10 years ago.

Bro I wish I could talk to you face to face with the bottle of beer in my hand..!

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

In Pakistan every1 is right. Nawaz Shareef is right, Zardari is also right, Our media and journalist are also right, listen to bureaucracy they will give right facts and arguments, Molvis are right, listen to the views of artists they are right, Please find me a single person in Pakistan who is wrong...


Bro I wish I could talk to you face to face with the bottle of beer in my hand..!

We know they're all wrong. It's because we lack accountability that we can't use real world facts such as the condition of Larkana to skewer PPP, or the sh!t BoP situation to skewer PML-N, or the fact that Molvis sit in league with corrupt politicians to skewer them, etc. There's no mechanism to remove wrong people from positions of authority -- here we are bickering with one another, and they get away free. Basically.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

We know they're all wrong. It's because we lack accountability that we can't use real world facts such as the condition of Larkana to skewer PPP, or the sh!t BoP situation to skewer PML-N, or the fact that Molvis sit in league with corrupt politicians to skewer them, etc. There's no mechanism to remove wrong people from positions of authority -- here we are bickering with one another, and they get away free. Basically.

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