Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[mingle]

What are the chances Biden And Erdogan strike a deal on putting the S-400 away so Turkey can get to buying 100+ F-35, and then Turkey can be cleared to sell it’s used F-16 (but with Turkish AESA upgrade and SLEP) to Pakistan?

Biden is not bully like Trump Good chances are they will work it out S400 issue pentagon already set up joint working group with turkey for this as far F35 concern pentagon says turkey is leggings behind may need time to pick up things again

 

[FuturePAF]

Biden is not bully like Trump Good chances are they will work it out S400 issue pentagon already set up joint working group with turkey for this as far F35 concern pentagon says turkey is leggings behind may need time to pick up things again

The faster Turkey can get back into the F-35 program, the faster Turkey can induct these planes, and the faster they can upgrade and sell off their f-16s to Pakistan.

Hopefully, Pakistan signals this desire to Turkey, so they can begin to do a SLEP on their F-16s now, and upgrade the planes with an AESA radar as Well as integrate all the weapons (indigenous Turkish SOM-J as well as BVR and WVR missiles). once they are ready, and the clearance is given a Hot transfer could be made; or at least Pakistani pilots can start to train on Turkish F-16s.

The Turkish radar is said to be a G

Consider Turkey’s status as a partner nation in the F-35 project, hopefully they will adjust deliveries to end the lagging behind Turkey is going on the induction.

Do you know when Turkey was originally slated to receive its original F-35s? The pilots were training in the US until the CAATSA restrictions kicked in.

Between JF-17 Block III and its radar (hopefully produced in Pakistan) and electronics, and hopefully inducting a Turkish AESA upgraded F-16s, it would a long way in having platforms to work on Project AZM.

Considering the threat Turkey will soon face from Greek Rafales with Meteor missiles, they maybe able to development a missile, as good as the Meteor, that they could integrate into the F-16s and sell to Pakistan. This maybe crucial, if Pakistan is denied the ability to purchase the Aim-120D.

 

[Silicon0000]

What are the chances Biden And Erdogan strike a deal on putting the S-400 away so Turkey can get to buying 100+ F-35, and then Turkey can be cleared to sell it’s used F-16 (but with Turkish AESA upgrade and SLEP) to Pakistan?

Zero. Baqi dil ke behlane ko ye khiyal acha hai

 

[FuturePAF]

Zero. Baqi dil ke behlane ko ye khiyal acha hai

That’s ok, when one door closes another one opens. Pakistan will just have to pivot to a different fighter to fill its need.

 

[araz]

That’s ok, when one door closes another one opens. Pakistan will just have to pivot to a different fighter to fill its need.

Why cant we just wait for our 5th generation offering in 10 years time concentrating on developing the Thunder via more advanced blocks? What is the urgency of acquiring any platform? I suspect if we sat back we will get something offered to us which could be better than what we currently have.
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[FuturePAF]

Why cant we just wait for our 5th generation offering in 10 years time concentrating on developing the Thunder via more advanced blocks? What is the urgency of acquiring any platform? I suspect if we sat back we will get something offered to us which could be better than what we currently have.
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Leaving a capability gap open exposes us to the enemy’s adventurism. If we acquire at least 18 F-16 Block 72, out of pocket, it would buy us some time to allow our other projects to develop. It’s the cheapest and psychologically most deterrence generate option via-a-vi the Indians.

Considering everything we learned from the Block 52, procuring just one squadron of Block 72, shouldn’t break the bank but check many of the boxes of our defense needs.

 

[mingle]

Leaving a capability gap open exposes us to the enemy’s adventurism. If we acquire at least 18 F-16 Block 72, out of pocket, it would buy us some time to allow our other projects to develop. It’s the cheapest and psychologically most deterrence generate option via-a-vi the Indians.

Considering everything we learned from the Block 52, procuring just one squadron of Block 72, shouldn’t break the bank but check many of the boxes of our defense needs.

Turkish TFX can be good replacement for MLU vipers

 

[Yasser76]

Why cant we just wait for our 5th generation offering in 10 years time concentrating on developing the Thunder via more advanced blocks? What is the urgency of acquiring any platform? I suspect if we sat back we will get something offered to us which could be better than what we currently have.
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Because than fanboys on here will get bored. Remember it's not about what is best for PAF or Pak Economy, but about looking good on a PDF thread....

 

[FuturePAF]

Turkish TFX can be good replacement for MLU vipers

They would be perfect, and they may become the core of project AZM, but currently the issue is the engine.

Buying 18-24 F-16 Block 72 should be the most cost effective and deterrence maintaining Option the PAF could go for for the next 10 years, while we wait for the T-FX/Project AZM to be ready for procurement.

Once the procurement for the T-FX begins, we can start to phase out our old F-16s just like the Turks plan to do.

 

[araz]

They would be perfect, and they may become the core of project AZM, but currently the issue is the engine.

Buying 18-24 F-16 Block 72 should be the most cost effective and deterrence maintaining Option the PAF could go for for the next 10 years, while we wait for the T-FX/Project AZM to be ready for procurement.

Once the procurement for the T-FX begins, we can start to phase out our old F-16s just like the Turks plan to do.

Again we are looking at a PROJECTwhich is 8-10 years away from fruition. Unless you are looking at getting the production plant the Turks will cater to tbeir own needs first. So add another 5 years . If the truth be told if you are willing to wait 15 years cor the Turkish project why not build your own? The last I checked the 2 biggest hurdles might have been theTurkish engine which unless it is totally indegenous could be at the whims of the provider of parts. Pakistan's dire finqncial situation will not allow it to run 2 such projects so it will either be Azm or TFX. Given tbe choice and the timelines wbat would posters choose?
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[FuturePAF]

Again we are looking at a PROJECTwhich is 8-10 years away from fruition. Unless you are looking at getting the production plant the Turks will cater to tbeir own needs first. So add another 5 years . If the truth be told if you are willing to wait 15 years cor the Turkish project why not build your own? The last I checked the 2 biggest hurdles might have been theTurkish engine which unless it is totally indegenous could be at the whims of the provider of parts. Pakistan's dire finqncial situation will not allow it to run 2 such projects so it will either be Azm or TFX. Given tbe choice and the timelines wbat would posters choose?
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we Know the PAF is committed to AZM fr the very reasons you point out. Due to our financial limitations, the Block III will have to as good as possible. At this point we can’t expect anything more.

 

[air marshal]

 

[Irfan Baloch]

A lot of PAF guys seem to have religious-esque beards now.

beards are fine. but must watch out for clean shaven ones too in case they have secret indoctrination like some Naval junior officers who were captured or killed while trying to hijack one of our warships few years back.
the military personnel are constantly monitored and kept under the watch to ensure they dont fall victim to hostile agencies or religious terrorist cults.

 

[Path-Finder]

This interview with ACM (retd.) Shahzad Choudhary illustrates my point (shared by @Raider 21 and @Hodor ) that F-16 just can't be replaced, discredited or looked down upon because we're finally getting the JF-17 Block III.

The Block III is going to be a great jet and a game-changer for us in many ways with the AESA Radar & PL-15's, but is that all that will be needed to match a Rafale. Yes, we crack jokes that a 4th/4.5 Generation jet at the hands of the IAF is like giving a ricshaw driver an F1 on Silverstone. But in the end, its still a Rafale.

Some of the fellow members have repeatedly insisted that the F-16 is a thing of the past, but its clear that there are somethings that just can't be replicated by even a Block III.

In 17 Days, the new President of the United States will be sworn in. We'll find out within the first 30 Days where Pakistan stands...

The train may have already left the station on us getting a few used-Vipers, but one thing about Politics is that - you never know.

I implore your enthusiasm bro but sadly no more 16's for us. I wonder if the existing will fly or will we have to go back to the days of 90's blockades placed upon us.

 

[FuturePAF]

Hopefully the Chinese make a breakthrough in Engine technology, and their WS-15 and WS-19 reach intended performances.

At that point we could purchase the J-31 to fill the gap until Project AZM is developed and procured. The added benefit would be a higher thrust WS-19 could be used on future JF-17s, if they perform better than the RD-93MA.