Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[PakFactor]

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She just saying all that because they know Pakistani-American's are gullible, they'll buy into anything.

Those expecting F-16s Block 70+ and upgrades, are living in a fools paradise, the new man is India and they'll prop them up to counter China -- Pakistan hasn't been able to assert itself and acted like a cuck throughout its history so it'll be tossed aside.

 

[Akh1112]

She just saying all that because they know Pakistani-American's are gullible, they'll buy into anything.

Those expecting F-16s Block 70+ and upgrades, are living in a fools paradise, the new man is India and they'll prop them up to counter China -- Pakistan hasn't been able to assert itself and acted like a cuck throughout its history so it'll be tossed aside.

Its irrelevant who is gullible and who isnt. She has made a claim, she has pissed off India, The biden administration has done this numerous times. The biden admin has also placed an increased importance on Pakistan for Afghanistan withdrawl. You can say they are living in a fools paradise but it is inevitable for the PAF to approach the US for the upgrades, they make a huge part of the fleet and they are too expensive to let us let them become obselete.

 

[GriffinsRule]

" There is a need to intervene if the situation demands."

If the situation hasn't demanded it yet, it is not going to demand in the future either. The old adage of actions speak louder than words applies here. No Pakistani should be under the false hope of the US coming to Pakistani/Kashmiri corner when it comes to geopolitics.

 

[ziaulislam]

She just saying all that because they know Pakistani-American's are gullible, they'll buy into anything.

Those expecting F-16s Block 70+ and upgrades, are living in a fools paradise, the new man is India and they'll prop them up to counter China -- Pakistan hasn't been able to assert itself and acted like a cuck throughout its history so it'll be tossed aside.

i doubt anyone including PAF thinks they will get the f16s..if the the Pakistani govt is trying to get those or hoping to then its pretty stupid honestly..

F16s have played their role and will remain important asset for next 10 years but post 2030 they will start becoming meaning less..PAF needs to move on..PAF can collobrate with some European countries(particularly italy and UK), turkey and china to get its sub system for its AZM and JF-17 and that should be its focus


we only got f16s in cold war and then in 2005 when USA desperately needed us..

what pakistan should look in USA-pak relation ship is pakistan trying to leverage USA help in getting maximum funding from asian and world bank(cheap financing) for mega projects, their funding allows you to get funding from private investors/banks(it is kinda a seal of approval)

what more we can do is to try to get some loan written off, this doesnt need to go to congress and can be done via executive order, like it happend in mushi era when a large portion of loan was written off by USA

lastly, we may be able to get some anti terror equipment, like MRAPs etc/excess USA equipment..

india will lobby hard for any thing including ordianry funding as it willa rgue this frees up money for defense procurement from china

 

[mingle]

i doubt anyone including PAF thinks they will get the f16s..if the the Pakistani govt is trying to get those or hoping to then its pretty stupid honestly..

F16s have played their role and will remain important asset for next 10 years but post 2030 they will start becoming meaning less..PAF needs to move on..PAF can collobrate with some European countries(particularly italy and UK), turkey and china to get its sub system for its AZM and JF-17 and that should be its focus


we only got f16s in cold war and then in 2005 when USA desperately needed us..

what pakistan should look in USA-pak relation ship is pakistan trying to leverage USA help in getting maximum funding from asian and world bank(cheap financing) for mega projects, their funding allows you to get funding from private investors/banks(it is kinda a seal of approval)

what more we can do is to try to get some loan written off, this doesnt need to go to congress and can be done via executive order, like it happend in mushi era when a large portion of loan was written off by USA

lastly, we may be able to get some anti terror equipment, like MRAPs etc/excess USA equipment..

india will lobby hard for any thing including ordianry funding as it willa rgue this frees up money for defense procurement from china

Let's see how it pans out but PAF should look EU options as well like EF used and new in small badge 24 - 30 two Sqd will be great

 

[Ali_Baba]

no, what happened was CSF was not able to be used, so the PAF had to pay full price as opposed to the subsidized price, at which point they turned them down as it was far too expensive.

No, No, No. The CSF does not subsidize the price of F16s, the FMS programme does. Pakistan was not getting FMS subsidies, it was pay full price for those F16s. What the CSF funds allowed Pakistan to do, was pay for F16s without "eating" into Pakistan's USD dollar reserves. That is all. That is why Pakistan will not buy F16s now. It does not have the FX reserves to sustain a 5-7billion dollar programme as that will eat into the reserves to much ...

That is why the LRMP programme is being done piecemeal, etc.. dollar reserves cannot sustain a bulk order of several billion dollars. Being inside the FATF sanctions means, Pakistan's ability to raise foreign debt in USD is also limited, so it is finding it difficult to fund multiple defence programmes in one go. They are all now, smaller and paced out over time to manage Foreign Exchange reserves.

That is why India want Pakistan to have the FATF sanctions, as it limits Pakistan ability to purchase western weapon systems.

It is called " Fifth generation warfare, by war by every other means possible." ie non kinetic war ...

 

[Akh1112]

No, No, No. The CSF does not subsidize the price of F16s, the FMS programme does. Pakistan was not getting FMS subsidies, it was pay full price for those F16s. What the CSF funds allowed Pakistan to do, was pay for F16s without "eating" into Pakistan's USD dollar reserves. That is all. That is why Pakistan will not buy F16s now. It does not have the FX reserves to sustain a 5-7billion dollar programme as that will eat into the reserves to much ...

That is why the LRMP programme is being done piecemeal, etc.. dollar reserves cannot sustain a bulk order of several billion dollars. Being inside the FATF sanctions means, Pakistan's ability to raise foreign debt in USD is also limited, so it is finding it difficult to fund multiple defence programmes in one go. They are all now, smaller and paced out over time to manage Foreign Exchange reserves.

That is why India want Pakistan to have the FATF sanctions, as it limits Pakistan ability to purchase western weapon systems.

It is called " Fifth generation warfare, by war by every other means possible." ie non kinetic war ...

yes, i had corrected this in a later post.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I don't know about F-16s, but I think our armed forces will push for ITAR equipment via 3rd parties, especially engines for helicopters and transport aircraft.

 

[PakFactor]

I don't know about F-16s, but I think our armed forces will push for ITAR equipment via 3rd parties, especially engines for helicopters and transport aircraft.

This obsession of F-16 is to the point of disgusting right now, and people need to move on. US interests have changes to containing China, why would they arm Pakistan now.

 

[ziaulislam]

exactly the future is to invest in R&D and procure subsystems from europe and china..the same way navy is doing

This obsession of F-16 is to the point of disgusting right now, and people need to move on. US interests have changes to containing China, why would they arm Pakistan now.

 

[Incog_nito]

I think with the recent success and operational history of F-16s in PAF, PAF might be interested in acquiring more used F-16 A/B along with the newer F-16C/Ds.

 

[Raider 21]

I think with the recent success and operational history of F-16s in PAF, PAF might be interested in acquiring more used F-16 A/B along with the newer F-16C/Ds.

Long term success since 1983

 

[Incog_nito]

Long term success since 1983

The US now needs money and can easily allow PAF to buy a good amount of used F-16 A/Bs with the upgrade package similar to MLU-4s.

Moreover, might also allow PAF to buy new F-16 C/Ds.

 

[GriffinsRule]

The US now needs money and can easily allow PAF to buy a good amount of used F-16 A/Bs with the upgrade package similar to MLU-4s.

Moreover, might also allow PAF to buy new F-16 C/Ds.

Pakistan needs money more desperately then the US. They can just print the dollars

 

[Eagle_Nest]

For F-16 Piolet inside is the limit!