Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Incog_nito]

USA did mind buying from other countries and allegedly stopped a second deal of Jordanian F-16's transfer to Pakistan.

But PAF has 16 JAF F-16s

 

[Incog_nito]

Lets say PAF has 3 billion USD to spend, which i doubt it has in reality, anyways, pick one option.

1. 50-60 x J-10C
OR
2. 18-20 x F-16 V/Block 70
OR
3. Upgrade all PAF F-16's to V standard
OR
4. 70 x JF-17 Block III
OR
5. 24-30 used F-16's and upgrade them to block 52 standard.

F-16 upgrade is a nice option. I feel PAF won't buy more than 50 Block III JF-17

 

[Imran Khan]

F-16 upgrade is a nice option. I feel PAF won't buy more than 50 Block III JF-17

they will but 100+ block3 mark my words sir

 

[denel]

they will but 100+ block3 mark my words sir

Correct; I am putting the number at 150 (blk3) + 100-110 of Jf-17 blk1/2. They need this magic number of 250 with the other retirements that will be needed.

 

[Imran Khan]

Correct; I am putting the number at 150 (blk3) + 100-110 of Jf-17 blk1/2. They need this magic number of 250 with the other retirements that will be needed.

if they can collect 200 f-7 or 200 mirages they will not stop on 150 thunders . i fact their plan was 200 f-16 in 1980s .

 

[mingle]

It's official now F21 is out of race in india time to start negotiations with LM again on FMF. Corrot a decent number along with used frames having V upgrades.

 

[denel]

With Aselsan now offering AESA replacement for F-16s, good option available.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...itches-aesa-radar-at-f-16-upgrade-mar-457874/

 

[Army research]

Keep good diplomacy with America, because when they leave Afghanistan there will be no ' direct ' cause of animosity or proxy war as is now. Then America will just sell weapons for the one single thing it exists for, ' muneh'
5 to 10 years from if our economy improves we should get the V upgrade and ask Americans to let us integrate SOM

 

[Readerdefence]

With Aselsan now offering AESA replacement for F-16s, good option available.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...itches-aesa-radar-at-f-16-upgrade-mar-457874/

Hi denel what are the options for getting aesa for PAF as I have asked this Q with a Turkish member also but to no avail
Will USA allow Turkish to instal AESA for PAF or in-fact on their own f16 radar upgrades
Or any other their own invention on their fleet of F16s
Your reply will be appreciated
Thank you

 

[Signalian]

Hi denel what are the options for getting aesa for PAF as I have asked this Q with a Turkish member also but to no avail
Will USA allow Turkish to instal AESA for PAF or in-fact on their own f16 radar upgrades
Or any other their own invention on their fleet of F16s
Your reply will be appreciated
Thank you

Highly doubt it that USA would allow Aselsan AESA but if it allows, then that would benefit both Turkey and PAF while USA may ask for a percentage. My guess is that USA would want full business for itself. Second batch of RJAF F-16's met the same fate.

 

[denel]

Hi denel what are the options for getting aesa for PAF as I have asked this Q with a Turkish member also but to no avail
Will USA allow Turkish to instal AESA for PAF or in-fact on their own f16 radar upgrades
Or any other their own invention on their fleet of F16s
Your reply will be appreciated
Thank you

Look if it was not possible then why would they go that route; this is standard practise for any system. You have to take calculated risk and lay a roadmap for upgrade path; given TAI already knows the birds, then why not?

Highly doubt it that USA would allow Aselsan AESA but if it allows, then that would benefit both Turkey and PAF while USA may ask for a percentage. My guess is that USA would want full business for itself. Second batch of RJAF F-16's met the same fate.

No, it is for you to decide; LM is trying to keep monopoly to ensure a money trail continues.

 

[mingle]

Highly doubt it that USA would allow Aselsan AESA but if it allows, then that would benefit both Turkey and PAF while USA may ask for a percentage. My guess is that USA would want full business for itself. Second batch of RJAF F-16's met the same fate.

Agree they will ask Pak to buy new jetts

 

[GriffinsRule]

Keep good diplomacy with America, because when they leave Afghanistan there will be no ' direct ' cause of animosity or proxy war as is now. Then America will just sell weapons for the one single thing it exists for, ' muneh'
5 to 10 years from if our economy improves we should get the V upgrade and ask Americans to let us integrate SOM

Historically its been quiet the opposite. They have sold us weapons only when there was a need for them to use Pakistan. Once they leave Afghanistan, they have no reason to sell us any weapons, and their arms industry does not need our meager orders. On top of that, there is no reason for them to provide us any FMS/CSF type funds to offset any costs that would make them affordable anyways.
What is more likely to happen is, they will remove the major non-NATO ally designation, put more economic and maybe even military sanctions on us and restrict our access to financial markets and screw with our monetary policies (like we need help in that regard).
Their long term goal is a resurgent India and Pakistan is a hindrance. Only way for Pakistan to not end up like Iran or the other Arab countries that went through the Arab Spring is to clean up our own messes and become a viable country with any say on the global level.

 

[Signalian]

Agree they will ask Pak to buy new jetts

Not just new Jets.
USA prefers that PAF buys new as well as used jets from USA.

No, it is for you to decide; LM is trying to keep monopoly to ensure a money trail continues.

Difficult to agree here.
PAF decided on Jordan's F-16s but USA intervened. Funding has been sidelined, USA wants PAF to pay full price.
Sir Bilal Reported possibility of F-16 Block 40's for PAF, these are flown by USAF, Bahrain, Egypt, Turkey and Korea. Amongst them, only USAF could sell as EDA, all the other countries use them as front line jets.

Historically its been quiet the opposite. They have sold us weapons only when there was a need for them to use Pakistan. Once they leave Afghanistan, they have no reason to sell us any weapons, and their arms industry does not need our meager orders. On top of that, there is no reason for them to provide us any FMS/CSF type funds to offset any costs that would make them affordable anyways.
What is more likely to happen is, they will remove the major non-NATO ally designation, put more economic and maybe even military sanctions on us and restrict our access to financial markets and screw with our monetary policies (like we need help in that regard).
Their long term goal is a resurgent India and Pakistan is a hindrance. Only way for Pakistan to not end up like Iran or the other Arab countries that went through the Arab Spring is to clean up our own messes and become a viable country with any say on the global level.

USA can sell aircrafts to PAF, just at full price and not top line stuff (like F-16 Block 70 or F-35) Vis-a-vis India. It will be like Egypt and Israel saga. Egypt wanted F-15E's, Israel intervened. Similarly PAF' F-16 Block 52+ are less capable than F-16 Block 70/72 offered to India. For full price PAF can get 50 more F-16 Block 52+, but PAF wants for free or atleast funded. PAF can also go for used F-16's from USA.

But PAF has 16 JAF F-16s

13.
12 A + 1 B.

 

[mingle]

Not just new Jets.
USA prefers that PAF buys new as well as used jets from USA.


Difficult to agree here.
PAF decided on Jordan's F-16s but USA intervened. Funding has been sidelined, USA wants PAF to pay full price.
Sir Bilal Reported possibility of F-16 Block 40's for PAF, these are flown by USAF, Bahrain, Egypt, Turkey and Korea. Amongst them, only USAF could sell as EDA, all the other countries use them as front line jets.



USA can sell aircrafts to PAF, just at full price and not top line stuff (like F-16 Block 70 or F-35) Vis-a-vis India. It will be like Egypt and Israel saga. Egypt wanted F-15E's, Israel intervened. Similarly PAF' F-16 Block 52+ are less capable than F-16 Block 70/72 offered to India. For full price PAF can get 50 more F-16 Block 52+, but PAF wants for free or atleast funded. PAF can also go for used F-16's from USA.


13.
12 A + 1 B.

Well new and old we must negotiate blk 70 along with rest V upgrades. They will sell blk 70 doubt india will buy F16.