Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[nomi007]

Nomi I was expecting a picture in your post
why dint you post one? now you are slacking and I am sad

sorry bro
keep smile

 

[nomi007]

PAF F-16A block 15 #85721 from 14 sqn is seen deployed at Maripur AFB. The aircraft crashed on March 17th, 1994

rip

 

[nomi007]

One of the Pakistan Air Force's F-16s in flight over Florida before delivery in the mid eighties.

 

[fatman17]

F-16 Fighting Falcon News
New Zealand Cancels F-16 Contract
March 19, 2000 (by Lieven Dewitte) - Citing budget constraints and other defense priorities, the government of New Zealand Monday cancelled an agreement to buy 28 F-16s from the United States.



In announcing the cancellation, Prime Minister Helen Clark admitted the 700-million-dollar price tag for the planes was a bargain, but added that "one of the government's priorities is to inject logic and coherence into planning process for the Armed Forces. "
Defense Ministry officials said it was willing to buy 18 of the originally-contracted 28 planes which had been ordered by the previous administration.
Clark's Labor government took office in November. Jenny Shipley, the previous prime minister whose government had ordered the F-16s, criticized the move, saying "the complete cancellation of the contract will cost the country greatly and means an end to our ability to protect ourselves in the air."
New Zealand stands to lose 11 million dollars because of the cancellation.

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[TOPGUN]

F-16 Fighting Falcon News
New Zealand Cancels F-16 Contract
March 19, 2000 (by Lieven Dewitte) - Citing budget constraints and other defense priorities, the government of New Zealand Monday cancelled an agreement to buy 28 F-16s from the United States.



In announcing the cancellation, Prime Minister Helen Clark admitted the 700-million-dollar price tag for the planes was a bargain, but added that "one of the government's priorities is to inject logic and coherence into planning process for the Armed Forces. "
Defense Ministry officials said it was willing to buy 18 of the originally-contracted 28 planes which had been ordered by the previous administration.
Clark's Labor government took office in November. Jenny Shipley, the previous prime minister whose government had ordered the F-16s, criticized the move, saying "the complete cancellation of the contract will cost the country greatly and means an end to our ability to protect ourselves in the air."
New Zealand stands to lose 11 million dollars because of the cancellation.

Related articles:

Could the left over's from this deal work in our favor ? and do we know what blk they are and type ?

 

[Imran Khan]

F-16 Fighting Falcon News
New Zealand Cancels F-16 Contract
March 19, 2000 (by Lieven Dewitte) - Citing budget constraints and other defense priorities, the government of New Zealand Monday cancelled an agreement to buy 28 F-16s from the United States.



In announcing the cancellation, Prime Minister Helen Clark admitted the 700-million-dollar price tag for the planes was a bargain, but added that "one of the government's priorities is to inject logic and coherence into planning process for the Armed Forces. "
Defense Ministry officials said it was willing to buy 18 of the originally-contracted 28 planes which had been ordered by the previous administration.
Clark's Labor government took office in November. Jenny Shipley, the previous prime minister whose government had ordered the F-16s, criticized the move, saying "the complete cancellation of the contract will cost the country greatly and means an end to our ability to protect ourselves in the air."
New Zealand stands to lose 11 million dollars because of the cancellation.

Related articles:

we spend 5bn for just 18 new and older upgrades??????

 

[Thorough Pro]

It doesn't work like that, you can't add leftover life of old frame to the new one that is built for 4000 hours. In simple words ML structural upgrade restores the life back to original specs, not adds it to remainder life of the old airframe

List of 13 F16s ADF (Most of them)

Current active F-16 airframes assigned to RJAF 2 sqn

14th one, a 2 seater crashed in Jan 2014, the list still shows it active

F-16 Units - RJAF 2nd squadron

Original life 4000 hours, ANG flew them for ~3000 hours then stored, it got OCUed and ADFed (not Full MLU) adding another 4000 hours (total 5000 hours) plus engine upgrade to 220/E before RJAF got them, currently they have ~3000 hours or 20 years left

Compared to rest of PAF fleet it will fly with APG66A radar and not APG69(9) they can carry 600 Gallon tank for more air time in Air defense role (PAF F16s Carry 370 Gallon only except Blk 52). Paint scheme looks dirty and may be repainted

 

[nomi007]

HOPE now Paf will also try to get 24-36 mirage 2005-9 from UAE

WE ALSO TRY TO GET SOURCE CODE OF f-16s
which is very important

 

[ziaulislam]

we spend 5bn for just 18 new and older upgrades??????

the 5 billion dollar deal was not completed . we didnt opted for last 18.

The F-16 sale was primarily built around three separate Foreign Military Sales cases that had a potential value of $5.1 billion. The 2005 Kashmir earthquake and subsequent financial constraints caused Pakistan to reduce the number of new planes purchased from 36 to 18 lowering the overall value of the deal to $3.1 billion.

The three cases were built around the 18 new planes valued at $1.4 billion; associated F-16 munitions for approximately $641 million; and the Mid Life Update for Pakistan's existing F-16 fleet valued at $891 million. Additionally, the U.S. has agreed to provide Pakistan with F-16s designated as Excess Defense Articles (EDA); Pakistan accepted 12 Block 15 F-16 A/B EDA aircraft.


Read more: Pakistan's F-16 Program at Risk of Failure?: Wikileaks | Pakistan Military Review

 

[nomi007]

ex-
RJAF F-16

 

[fatman17]

10-0 Kill Ratio in Air Combat by PAF in Soviet Afghan War.

1. 
   A Story of No. 9 Griffin and No. 14 Shaheen Squadron.
   Squadron leader Hamid Qadri from Squadron No. 9
   May 17th, 1986
   Squadron Leader Badar from Squadron No. 14,
   April 16th, 1987
   Squadron Leader Athar Bokhari from Squadron No. 14,
   April 8th, 1988
   Flight Lieutenant Khalid Mahmood from Squadron No. 14,
   September 12th, 1988
   Flight Lieutenant Khalid Mahmood from Squadron No. 14,
   November 3rd, 1988
   
   
   
   17 May 1986 Sqn. Ldr. A. Hameed Qadri
   No. 9 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
   (S. No. 82-723)
   
   PAF Sargodha 2 Soviet/Afghan Su-22s Shot down both Su-22s in a single sortie 16,000 ft. over Parachinar, Pakistan. 1 AIM-9L Sidewinder Kill, 1 Gun Kill.
   
   30 March 1987 Wng. Cdr. Abdul Razzaq
   No. 9 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
   PAF Sargodha 1 Soviet/Afghan An-26 Shot down near Miranshah, Pakistan while on a recce mission.
   
   16 April 1987 Sqn. Ldr. Badar Islam
   No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
   PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet/Afghan Su-22 Shot down after strafing Pakistani villages near Tull, Pakistan along with another Su-22 and with a pair of MiG-23MLDs flying top cover. Remaining 3 aircraft bugged out.
   
   8 April 1988 Sqn. Ldr. Athar Bokhari
   No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
   (S. No. 85-725)
   
   PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet Su-25
   Col. Ruskoi Alexander Valadimirovich, Soviet Air Force (ejected) 1 PAF F-16 Vs. 4 Soviet Su-25s. Night interception over Parachinar, Pakistan. AIM-9L Sidewinder Kill. Remaining 3 Su-25s bugged out. Soviet Su-25 pilot, Col. Ruskoi Alexander Valadimirovich, (later Vice-President of Russia) was taken prisoner by Pakistani authorities.
   
   12 September 1988 Flt. Lt. Khalid Mahmood
   No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
   (S. No. 85-728) PAF Minhas (Kamra) 2 Soviet MiG-23MLDs 2 PAF F-16s Vs. 6 Soviet MiG-23s. Near Nawagai border area with Pakistan. Both Kills in a single sortie with AIM-9L and AIM-9P Sidewinders.
   
   3 November 1988 Flt. Lt. Khalid Mahmood
   No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
   (S. No. 84-717)
   PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Afghan Air Force Su-22
   
   Capt. Hashim, AAF (ejected) 2 PAF F-16s Vs. 6 Soviet/Afghan Su-22s. (3 on ground attack and 3 flying top cover) near Tull, Pakistan. Kill made with 2 AIM-9L Sidewinders. Afghan pilot, Capt. Hashim, was captured after bailing out.
   
   20/21 November 1988 Muhammad Abbas Khattak
   No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
   PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet An-26 Shot down while on a recce mission inside Pakistan. PAF pilot later Chief of the Air Staff, PAF, 1994-1997.
   
   31 January 1989 Flt. Lt. Khalid Mahmood
   No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16B Fighting Falcon
   
   PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet An-24 Night interception near Bannu, Pakistan while on a solo 'hot scramble'. An-24 on bombing run crashed while attempting to surrender. Thus credited as 'manoeuvre kill'.
   
   * No PAF jet was shot down during air combat, by the enemy establishing a 10-0 kill ratio in the favor of PAF
   * During the entire, period of war 1 PAF F-16 was shot down by mistakenly fired AIM-9L from another PAF F-16.
   * MORE than 10 jets were shot down during the war, however REAL numbers of jets shot down by the PAF during the war is still "classified".
   * PAF is one of the FEW air forces around the world having REAL experience with F-16s in air to air combat and having shot down enemy jets.
   * One Soviet/Afghan Mig-21 Surrendered and, now is on display in Karachi air museum
   * PAF pilots remain one of the unique air force pilots in the world, having shot down jets from 4 Different Air Forces. [Indian/Israeli/USSR/Afghan]
   
   
   
   
   Tail of Su-25 shot down by Sqn Ldr Athar (No.14 Sqn)
   
   
   
   
   
   Sqn Ldr Hameed Qadri standing with a Su22 wing preserved outside No.9 Sqn. He shot down two Su-22s on 17th May, 1986.
   
   
   
   
   
   Video capture of HUD footage of
   Flt Lt Badr-ul-Islam's Su-22 kill on 16th Apr,1987.
   
   
   
   
   
   Hameed Qadri (Late), M.Razzaq (late), Yousaf Chaudhry, Badar, Athar Bukhari
   
   
   
   
   
   
   MiG-21MF and Su-22M-4K seen at the Peshawar AB, in October 1989, after both planes were flown there by defecting Afghani pilots
   
   
   
   

 

[Indus Falcon]

Makes one wonder what were the Afghans thinking?

 

[syedali73]

10-0 Kill Ratio in Air Combat by PAF in Soviet Afghan War.

Totally asymmetric engagements. Huge technological gap between PAF F-16s and the Soviet/Afghan aircrafts. Nothing to be proud of, at least in my humble opinion. If these were shot down by F-6 or Mirages, perhaps than it would be considered 'kills'.

 

[Indus Falcon]

10-0 Kill Ratio in Air Combat by PAF in Soviet Afghan War.

Totally asymmetric engagements. Huge technological gap between PAF F-16s and the Soviet/Afghan aircrafts. Nothing to be proud of, at least in my humble opinion. If these were shot down by F-6 or Mirages, perhaps than it would be considered 'kills'.

Thank God you are just an armchair general !!!!

 

[syedali73]

Thank God you are just an armchair general !!!!

Alhamdulillah, Allah has protected me from jangoism.