Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[razgriz19]

 

[Dazzler]

AFM on f-16s

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[shanixee]

After mumbai attack...2 indian aircraft crossed Pakistani border but were intersepted and locked by our F16s...few say the were M2k. Mig 29 and few say it was Su30. if it was su30. dont it also work as mini Awaks. i mean cant su30 jam F16 or atleast know its location before it locks it

 

[rizhussain44]

Can anyone please tell what is the schedule for the delivery of the rest of the blk 52 F-16s? When is the next batch expected to be delivered?

 

[Donatello]

Can anyone please tell what is the schedule for the delivery of the rest of the blk 52 F-16s? When is the next batch expected to be delivered?

Yea, i have the question.

Also what about the potential extra 18 or 14 F-16s BLK 52 that were supposed to be ordered?

Some sources (Wikipedia) say they are all to be delivered by end of 2010.....

 

[Quwa]

Yea, i have the question.

Also what about the potential extra 18 or 14 F-16s BLK 52 that were supposed to be ordered?

Some sources (Wikipedia) say they are all to be delivered by end of 2010.....

Harris Khan from PakDef/Defense News said PAF will get 14 used F-16s via the Excess Defence Articles (EDA) program. This would bring the MLU fleet to 59. As you know, the PAF also has an option for 18 Block-52+ F-16s that it may execute, and recent hints suggest it will.

In addition, we have various reports stating that PAF may go beyond the figure of 36 new-built F-16s and acquire more. Not much is known with regards to this, but JDW reported in 2006-2007 that in addition to the 26 ex-Peace Gate III/IV and 18 Block-52+, the PAF would get "33 additional" F-16s...I assume this would include the optional 18 Block-52+ and 14 more C/D.

For what its worth, PAF has until 2014 to decide on new-built F-16s as that is when Lockheed Martin expects to close production (based on current orders). The new-built C/D figure might cross the 50~55 plane mark in PAF.

 

[BATMAN]

PAF had ordered a big package including new engines, airframe reinforcements, targeting pods, customised avionics and counter warfares etc.. but no news no updates on MLU.. what so ever.
Only BVR AIM 120-C5M delivery became public.

 

[razgriz19]

 

[Donatello]

Harris Khan from PakDef/Defense News said PAF will get 14 used F-16s via the Excess Defence Articles (EDA) program. This would bring the MLU fleet to 59. As you know, the PAF also has an option for 18 Block-52+ F-16s that it may execute, and recent hints suggest it will.

In addition, we have various reports stating that PAF may go beyond the figure of 36 new-built F-16s and acquire more. Not much is known with regards to this, but JDW reported in 2006-2007 that in addition to the 26 ex-Peace Gate III/IV and 18 Block-52+, the PAF would get "33 additional" F-16s...I assume this would include the optional 18 Block-52+ and 14 more C/D.

For what its worth, PAF has until 2014 to decide on new-built F-16s as that is when Lockheed Martin expects to close production (based on current orders). The new-built C/D figure might cross the 50~55 plane mark in PAF.

The numbers are still very confusing.


PAF is confirmed getting 18 blk 52+.
PAF received 14 OCU f-16s some time back.
These are in addition to the original surviving 32 F-16s A/B.


Now, 14 of the OCU ones were delivered in 2009, so maybe JDW in 2006/7 was stating that.


PAF had option for 18 more, and many say that out of those 18, it has ordered 14, which like the original 18 BLK 52+, all will be delivered by end of this year.


Now my question in easy terms is:-

are those new 14 F-16s Blk 52+ confirmed bought?
and how many of the USN Aggressor aircraft are we getting, and if they are MLU-ed because we didn't purchase MLU kits for them.


Finally, i assume that PAF orders depend on the relative performance of j-10 to our new F-16s.......because 2014 is when we are expecting first squadron for J-10.

 

[Quwa]

The numbers are still very confusing.

These are the numbers from my understanding:

In service or entering:

• 45 F-16A/B Block-15 [32 original + 14 ex-PGIII/IV - 1 attrition]
• 18 F-16C/D Block-52+

Currently negotiating/being pursued:

• 14 F-16A/B via EDA [i.e. the news about 14 F-16s]

Additional possibilities:

• 18 optional F-16C/D Block-52+ from 2006 agreement
• unknown # of F-16C/D Block-52+ from new agreement
• unknown # of used F-16C/Ds from USAF

 

[BATMAN]

32+26+18=76 if we add 18 more as a second order of blk-52 than 76+18=94

 

[Quwa]

32+26+18=76 if we add 18 more as a second order of blk-52 than 76+18=94

Actual F-16 fleet:

32 F-16A/B + 28 additional F-16A/B - 1 loss = 59 F-16A/B MLU
18 F-16C/D + 18 F-16C/D = 36 F-16C/D Block-52+
Additional F-16s could include a mix of new and used C/Ds.

 

[razgriz19]

Actual F-16 fleet:

32 F-16A/B + 28 additional F-16A/B - 1 loss = 59 F-16A/B MLU
18 F-16C/D + 18 F-16C/D = 36 F-16C/D Block-52+
Additional F-16s could include a mix of new and used C/Ds.

we have recieved 14 out of 28, and other 14 in grains, soy beans....

we bought 18 blk 52 and now there was a news that PAF is negotiating another 14 so basically 18+14=32 blk 52s
and 32+14=46 - 1 loss = 45 blk 15!

by next year (hopefully) we will have a total of 77 f-16s!

 

[Quwa]

we have recieved 14 out of 28, and other 14 in grains, soy beans....

we bought 18 blk 52 and now there was a news that PAF is negotiating another 14 so basically 18+14=32 blk 52s
and 32+14=46 - 1 loss = 45 blk 15!

by next year (hopefully) we will have a total of 77 f-16s!

U.S. 'reimbursed' Pakistan in the 1990s for the 28 ex-PG III/IV F-16s in both cash and soy beans. However, the delivery of 14 of the 28 ex-PG F-16s commenced in 2005 and concluded by 2008. Since 2005-2006 the PAF asked for the remaining 14 ex-PG III/IV F-16s from the U.S Navy, but the latter was reluctant to transfer. As a result the U.S Air Force stepped in and offered PAF access to used F-16s from USAF and U.S ANG stocks.

Recently through some agreement, the PAF will be getting 14 F-16A/Bs through the Excess Defence Articles (EDA) program. According to H Khan on PakDef, delivery will begin from September.

My personal opinion...the F-16 will become what Mirage III/IV in PAF is today; except serve in the middle tier as a high-tech fighter. The Lockheed Martin production line will not close F-16 production until 2014 - i.e. Oman's order if finalized (link)[/URL]. There is a decent chance that PAF will execute the option for another 18 Block-52+ (from 2006 contract) and maybe add 1 or 2 squadrons - bringing the total new-built fleet to the original 50~75 figure before the 2005 Earthquake.

Beyond that... the USAF is retiring 178 F-16C/Ds through the BRAC program and I'd imagine additional airframes will be in stock via ANG phase-outs. PAF might want to procure a few airframes as attrition replacements or even to raise a couple more squadrons. The CCIP upgrades as well as even future AESA radar options (SABR and RACR) should make these used F-16s as potent as the new-built & MLUs.

 

[Donatello]

U.S. 'reimbursed' Pakistan in the 1990s for the 28 ex-PG III/IV F-16s in both cash and soy beans. However, the delivery of 14 of the 28 ex-PG F-16s commenced in 2005 and concluded by 2008. Since 2005-2006 the PAF asked for the remaining 14 ex-PG III/IV F-16s from the U.S Navy, but the latter was reluctant to transfer. As a result the U.S Air Force stepped in and offered PAF access to used F-16s from USAF and U.S ANG stocks.

Recently through some agreement, the PAF will be getting 14 F-16A/Bs through the Excess Defence Articles (EDA) program. According to H Khan on PakDef, delivery will begin from September.

My personal opinion...the F-16 will become what Mirage III/IV in PAF is today; except serve in the middle tier as a high-tech fighter. The Lockheed Martin production line will not close F-16 production until 2014 - i.e. Oman's order if finalized (link)[/URL]. There is a decent chance that PAF will execute the option for another 18 Block-52+ (from 2006 contract) and maybe add 1 or 2 squadrons - bringing the total new-built fleet to the original 50~75 figure before the 2005 Earthquake.

Beyond that... the USAF is retiring 178 F-16C/Ds through the BRAC program and I'd imagine additional airframes will be in stock via ANG phase-outs. PAF might want to procure a few airframes as attrition replacements or even to raise a couple more squadrons. The CCIP upgrades as well as even future AESA radar options (SABR and RACR) should make these used F-16s as potent as the new-built & MLUs.

Depending on the political climate that is, we must ensure we get them as soon as possible. There is new elections coming up in 2012 in USA and Democratic party is just so gonna lose.

Anyway, our current f-16 air bases are sargodha and jacobabad. I hope they put in necessary infrastruction to keep these birds flying, as well as PAC, because PAC is already busy re-tooling for the JF-17s.....


But then i suppose F-7/Mirage factories will close as they are phased out