If you buy them you will declare your intentions and state the conditions.
We use them against Pakistan or any other nation that come against us . we can declare it openly .... but can Pakistan do the same ????
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If you buy them you will declare your intentions and state the conditions.
So they are giving us 500 c-5's(Advanced version of AIM - 120) to fight taliban airforce?
yep, no need to explain to Indians.Besides the 500 Aim 120 are paid for by Pakistan tax payer's money.Hi,
Now now now---keep a lid on it and don't tell anyone. That is our secret.
Absolutely - Our Media is our biggest enemy.Now trying to bash this deal.Pakistan should buy as much as weapons possible from US.Once war comes US will do nothing unless we go to war with NATO.The EULA's was there in 1965 and 71 too but once war started we used all planes at our disposal (at the same time got hard sanctions from US).Besides our sanctioned birds were used to escort Nukes and fly Cap's during Kargil.Dear,
These restrictions are called End Use Monitoring (EUM/EUMA) provisions, for which US arms deals are infamous. We have many of our Maritime and Airborne fleet already using the same EUMs as the F16s we are getting now. Many ships of our Navy fleet, P3Cs, Harpoons, F16s, C130s and AH-1 Cobras already come under the same EUM that we are facing once again.
The solution is to adhere to these restrictions for the most part, and double up these equipments with EUM free acquisition of Ships, Atlantiques/Erieye/ZDK03, Exocet, JF17/Mirage/FC20, Y12 etc to use in places where these restrictions could be violated in peace time.
Of course, all bets are off once survival is at stake, and in those times, no will have the time, nor the inclination to check whether we are not adhering to provisions stated in chapter 4, paragraph 3, article 7.
We must continue to increase purchase of EUM free arms, and from nations who are famous for non EUM munition like France, Russia, China, Brazil, South Africa and the likes. But this is not enough reason to hold off our defense requirements to something we need in our fleet YESTERDAY, if we are hold off against the humongous IAF acquisitions.
For further study read these reports of EUMs for Indian acquisition of US weapons.
India Balks at C-130, P-8 Restrictions - Defense News
Factsheet on U.S-India accord on end-use monitoring - Windows Live
Note: This is not to start India Vs Pakistan flame war, just to inform people that this is regular terms and condition for US arms sales, and every war we have fought till now has been with the same weapons.
Regards,
Sapper
so i hope these conditions will be applied on india to if they choose f 16 or f18 in their mrca.or are these conditions only for us.
our so called ally is arming our enemy to the teeth.
Well i have not heard on any restrictions on India.....The only restrictions are on sharing it with others or reverse copying...Though Mastan Khan has explained it beautifully but $10 Billion(and more) have lot of power....Not to forget these block 52 are part of US Aid to Pakistan....So hard cash vs Aid and no surprise parameters are different....but in the end if there is any conflict then these birds will fly to defeat the enemy...Post war scenarios will not hinder operations during war....
Well i have not heard on any restrictions on India.....The only restrictions are on sharing it with others or reverse copying...Though Mastan Khan has explained it beautifully but $10 Billion(and more) have lot of power....Not to forget these block 52 are part of US Aid to Pakistan....So hard cash vs Aid and no surprise parameters are different....but in the end if there is any conflict then these birds will fly to defeat the enemy...Post war scenarios will not hinder operations during war....
Major U.S. Arms Sales and Grants to Pakistan Since 2001
Major post-2001 defense supplies provided, or soon to be provided, under FMF include:
! eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (valued at $474 million);
! about 5,250 TOW anti-armor missiles ($186 million; 2,007 delivered);
! more than 5,600 military radio sets ($163 million);
! six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million);
! six C-130E transport aircraft and their refurbishment ($76 million);
! five refurbished SH-2I Super Seasprite maritime helicopters granted under EDA ($67 million);
! one ex-Oliver Hazard Perry class missile frigate via EDA ($65 million);
! 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters via EDA ($48 million, 12 refurbished and delivered); and
! 121 refurbished TOW missile launchers ($25 million).
Supplies paid for with a mix of Pakistani national funds and FMF include:
! up to 60 Mid-Life Update kits for F-16A/B combat aircraft (valued at $891 million, with $477 million of this in FMF, Pakistan currently plans to purchase 35 such kits); and
! 115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers ($87 million, with $53 million in FMF).
Notable items paid or to be paid for entirely with Pakistani national funds include:
! 18 new F-16C/D Block 50/52 combat aircraft (valued at $1.43 billion; none delivered to date);
! F-16 armaments including 500 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; 1,450 2,000-pound bombs; 500 JDAM Tail Kits for gravity bombs; and 1,600 Enhanced Paveway laser-guided kits, also for gravity bombs ($629 million);
! 100 Harpoon anti-ship missiles ($298 million);
! 500 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles ($95 million); and
! six Phalanx Close-In Weapons System naval guns ($80 million).
While the Pentagon notified Congress on the possible transfer to Pakistan of three P-3B aircraft as EDA grants that would be modified to carry the E-2C Hawkeye airborne early warning suite in a deal worth up to $855 million, this effort has not progressed beyond the notification stage. Other major EDA grantssince 2001 include 14 F-16A/B combat aircraft and 39 T-37 military trainer jets. Under Coalition
Support Funds (part of the Pentagon budget), Pakistan has received 26 Bell 412 utility helicopters, along with related parts and maintenance, valued at $235 million. Finally, under 1206, Frontier Corps, and Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund authorities, the United States has provided helicopter spare parts, various night vision devices, radios, body armor, helmets, first aid kits, litters, and large quantities of other individual soldier equipment.
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