Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Scorpiooo]

Dear all brothers this thread is related to F16 and releted for PAF ...
please keep it relevant topic.. just a humble request

 

[Reichmarshal]

That's just wishful thinking on the part of Pakistan.


There's easier ways to "neutralise" Pakistan than spending over 20 years in Afghanistan.

They have been at it for the last 40 years straight

 

[Reichmarshal]

The mujahideen have ensured both missions have failed.
Nothing to do with Pakistan neither was Pakistan the target at least this time.
A

If their were no Pakistan behind the mujahedeen than their would have been no mujahedeen to begin with.
They were organized, trained and lead by PA personal.

So no Pakistan then no Afghan jihad against the Soviets or the yanks.

Their is more to it than wt meets the eye.

 

[araz]

If their were no Pakistan behind the mujahedeen than their would have been no mujahedeen to begin with.
They were organized, trained and lead by PA personal.

So no Pakistan then no Afghan jihad against the Soviets or the yanks.

Their is more to it than wt meets the eye.

Agree to the organization but Jehad was being waged even before Pakistan stepped in in the late 70s. During the US INVASION to which I specifically referred there was no help from Pakistan. One thing we need to be aware of is that arms and ammo and organization is a need but the Afghan spirit to wage jehad was what won them both the wars. There are other factors mainly terrain and the ruggedness of it. The awareness of how to utilize the terrain to one's advantage cannot be taught by outsiders.
We Pakistanis have had a role but to say that there would have been no jehad without Pakistan is a fallacy.
A

 

[The Raven]

Like??

Pakistani politics and religion.

 

[ziaulislam]

The reason was to access the central asian energy resources along with keeping an eye on China. The mujahideen have ensured both missions have failed.
Nothing to do with Pakistan neither was Pakistan the target at least this time.
A

Hard to beleieve central asian energy is that important
Since USA has unlimited energy itself due to shale and unlimited control on arabs while the world is moving towards renewables and green hydrogen anyway

 

[Reichmarshal]

Agree to the organization but Jehad was being waged even before Pakistan stepped in in the late 70s. During the US INVASION to which I specifically referred there was no help from Pakistan. One thing we need to be aware of is that arms and ammo and organization is a need but the Afghan spirit to wage jehad was what won them both the wars. There are other factors mainly terrain and the ruggedness of it. The awareness of how to utilize the terrain to one's advantage cannot be taught by outsiders.
We Pakistanis have had a role but to say that there would have been no jehad without Pakistan is a fallacy.
A

They were organized, trained and led by PA personal.
If this does not tell u nothing will.

 

[ziaulislam]

Also south china is where china need to be checked not the barren west china

 

[Raja Porus]

I'd suggest this book to everyone who is interested in the proxy war between US and Pakistan. One thing I find interesting in this book is the beauty with which this develops the relation between terror in Pakistani and attacks on ISAF/Afghan/Northern Alliance in Afghanistan.

Also there is a reason why US troops haven't been able to push in Nimruz, Zabul and Helmand... Why? Because they all border Pakistan and if US does then separatist movements in Balochistan will get stronger. Need more proof?

 

[SQ8]

Meanwhile - the F-16’s kill switch may be active now (at least this might bring the thread back)

 

[StormBreaker]

Meanwhile - the F-16’s kill switch may be active now (at least this might bring the thread back)

Bro,
Don’t understand why you guys even make statements when these statements are actually encrypted and un-understandable .

More of a teasing poor souls

 

[SQ8]

Bro,
Don’t understand why you guys even make statements when these statements are actually encrypted and un-understandable .

More of a teasing poor souls

There is nothing encrypted about the dreaded kill switch. It is as legendary and mythical as the 9sq griffins.
On another note - interesting article in Combat Aircraft magazine on the rcs reduction measures for F-16. Both Have Glass and its follow programs could be interesting studies for the PAF.

 

[Tipu7]

IMHO the PAF will continue pursuing new F-16s, even if the chances are low.

The PAF will want to use the existing infrastructure, and the original plan (before the earthquake) was for 55 new F-16s.

I don't think the PAF will succeed, but from AHQ's standpoint, the idea is, 'keep pushing; if we get it, then great, if not, then we just keep moving forward.' It's a due diligence thing at this point.

PAF wants F16s in sufficient numbers. Mixture of old and new birds. There are certain capability gaps which cannot be filled by non-western birds.
The Eastern options were (and still are) backup plan and political leverage. The issues (still unresolved?) are about political and strategic 'mismatches' between Pakistan and United States. More sync is required between Islamabad and Washington related to Afghanistan and emerging regional power politics. (Quad etc)

 

[mingle]

PAF wants F16s in sufficient numbers. Mixture of old and new birds. There are certain capability gaps which cannot be filled by non-western birds.
The Eastern options were (and still are) backup plan and political leverage. The issues (still unresolved?) are about political and strategic 'mismatches' between Pakistan and United States. More sync is required between Islamabad and Washington related to Afghanistan and emerging regional power politics. (Quad etc)

If things moves along well my ideal number would be 150-160

 

[Scorpiooo]

PAF wants F16s in sufficient numbers. Mixture of old and new birds. There are certain capability gaps which cannot be filled by non-western birds.
The Eastern options were (and still are) backup plan and political leverage. The issues (still unresolved?) are about political and strategic 'mismatches' between Pakistan and United States. More sync is required between Islamabad and Washington related to Afghanistan and emerging regional power politics. (Quad etc)

Afghanistan is key, if government play in sensibility they can get positive output in term of defense articles specifically f16s