Pakistan discusses Su-35, S-400, T-90 MBT purchase with Russia.

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

A good move considering successful sales of planes to Egypt and Indonesia or other nations
We need to also improve our Airforce

 

[CHI RULES]

SU35 is indeed a formidable aircraft.however it doesn't come cheap. We are on our way to build our own 5th gen aircraft, the project Azm, which will be a gen ahead of SU35 and will do these deep strikes roles plus air superiority over enemy airspace.



I am all up for procuring s400, a real force multiplier and an area of defence which we desperately needs to plug the gaps. Su35 on other hand is 4.5 Gen aircraft and when we are well on our way to build our own 5th gen aircraft, it doesn't make sense to order su35 now which will be delivered few years down the line and by that time our own 5th gen jet will be in mid-final stages of development. If you know what I mean.

Sir SU35 may fulfill Pak requirements for next 11-12 Years till Pak own Azm project materializes. Considering it's capabilities quite suitable for A2A roles also against high end fighters. No matter how much we push our Mirages they are not suitable even now for deep penetration missions then how they shall be effective till 2030.
To counter financial issues we may go for annual inductions say 5-6 every year. It may take three years to complete a squadron.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Sir SU35 may fulfill Pak requirements for next 11-12 Years till Pak own Azm project materializes. Considering it's capabilities quite suitable for A2A roles also against high end fighters. No matter how much we push our Mirages they are not suitable even now for deep penetration missions then how they shall be effective till 2030.
To counter financial issues we may go for annual inductions say 5-6 every year. It may take three years to complete a squadron.

You are not looking 11-12 years but 7-8 years when project Azm will be flying. How long will it take to induct su35 if we order it now?

 

[danger007]

You will be very shocked , just watch and see !!!!!

Really, oh am waiting to be shocked ..

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Don’t think the Indian lobby is dead yet, but that depends on their own actions. In a way its good that India is now headed by an insane posse and not the sharp intellect of the past... they might just irk Russia off enough.

The issue for Pakistan isn't cash (because it doesn't have any), but whether Russia is willing to extend a line-of-credit to back a Su-35 deal (and other arms). It ultimately falls unto how much risk Russia is willing to absorb to get a few regions some manufacturing work. IMO the only way it can happen is if India has already done something to alleviate Russia's risk.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

After T-129 , order with Turkey is completed

Ordering a half squadron is good start 12 Units purchased like Indonesia does


T-90 Tank (On Going Modernization Program) to may be Phase out Zarar Tanks
Sukhoi-35 (12 Units)


Is quite self explainatory

 

[war&peace]

IMO the only way it can happen is if India has already done something to alleviate Russia's risk.

Can you please elaborate @bold?

 

[bananarepublic]

Seems unlikely with the current economic conditions unless the ruskies provide us with credit but addition of a few su-35 will be a huge force multiplayer for the paf.

 

[danger007]

T-90? I'm not sure it is wise to operate the same tank India has for years.
As for SU-35, it's expensive, I doubt the PAF has funds for this, the economy is in a precarious shape as well.
The S-400 could be a maybe, as funds have been set aside for a long range SAM system for years.

S-400 sale to Pak more unlikely...US might get furious with such deal.. like US threatened turkey..

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...urkey-surface-to-air-s400-missile-deal-russia

And another thing.. India Russia working on multi billion $ S-400 deal...

So you think Su-35 is old or getting old????
What about SU-47 and T-50/Pak-ta??? Are these also old?

If and when Pakistan decided to purchase Su-35x, it will not be off the shelf. It will be customized for PAF with Best radar, avionics and latest Gadgets.

Are you aware about unit price of Su-35..

 

[TOPGUN]

Really, oh am waiting to be shocked ..

Oh you will be ... don't have too many wet dreams now lolz

 

[Basel]

Don’t think the Indian lobby is dead yet, but that depends on their own actions. In a way its good that India is now headed by an insane posse and not the sharp intellect of the past... they might just irk Russia off enough.

Defense Minister have said that purchase of planes will take few years, whereas purchase of SAMs are being negotiated with possibly T-90 deal of some kind but have Russia sent T-90 for testing in Pakistani condition?

• PAKISTAN, WORLD

Pakistan in talks with Russia for procurement of sophisticated arms, says defence minister

Islamabad looking to purchase Su-35 jets, air defence systems and T-90 tanks from Moscow, says Khurram Dastgir
By NEWS DESK
Apr.07,2018


Defence Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan has said that Pakistan is in direct talks with the Russian Federation for the procurement of sophisticated military hardware, including air defence systems, fighter jets and battle tanks, reported Sputnik.

The minister confirmed that Islamabad was interested in buying weapons from Moscow in an interview to the Russian news agency on Thursday, in which he also talked about increased cooperation with Kremlin which mirrors Pakistan’s wider geo-strategic concerns.

“Air defence system is a different kind of weapon we are interested. We are very much interested in a very wide range of the Russian weapons technology. We are in negotiations [on air defence systems] and once we conclude negotiations, we will be able to announce them,” Khan told the Russian publication.

The defence minister also outlined that Islamabad was interested in acquiring T-90 tanks from Moscow as part of a long-term deal rather than committing itself to a single purchase.

“We are interested in tanks T-90 and it is not going to be a one-time purchase but it is going to be a long-term commitment,” Khan stated.

He added that negotiations for the purchase of Russian Su-35 fighter jets are in their early stages, and an agreement in this regard may be reached “in the next few years”, according to the Russian website.

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Regional cooperation

Talking about security issues in South and Central Asia, the defence minister noted that both Pakistan and Russia were interested in a stable and democratic Afghanistan.

“We respect Afghanistan’s sovereignty. Stability in Afghanistan is important for Pakistan to be able to develop its own prosperous future, to access to the Russian market, for example, by land route. Democratic and stable Afghanistan is in the deep the interest of both Russia and Pakistan,” the minister stated.

He also lauded recent efforts by the Kremlin, which aim to bring stability to Afghanistan, highlighting the need for other global powers to devise a similar plan to defeat terrorism all over the world.

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“We are supporting the Russian regional approach to Afghanistan and we hope that not only Russia but also China, Iran and of course the United States can sit together at the table and devise a way in which we can achieve internal peace and reconciliation in Afghanistan,” Khan was quoted as saying by Sputnik.

The defence minister added that a new approach to solve the issues in Afghanistan by senior government leaders in Kabul was a positive step, which showed that the Afghan president was interested in ending the conflict, rather than winning the prolonged war.

“One positive step that has happened recently is a genuine approach by President Ghani when he had said that he no longer wants to win the war, but to end the conflict,” the minister remarked.

“To win the war was the American approach but now the Afghan approach is closer to Pakistan’s position on the matter. Pakistan’s highest priority regarding Afghanistan is to have a peaceful, democratic, and stable neighbor,” Khan underlined.

There has been a dramatic escalation in violence all over Afghanistan ever since US President Donald Trump took office in early 2017 and announced a new aggressive strategy for the region, putting Pakistan in the spotlight. Moscow has hosted a number of peace conferences on the issue in the past few months.

Bilateral relationship

Reiterating the expansion of bilateral ties between the two countries, Khan told the Russian news agency that Islamabad was looking forward to enhancing defence cooperation with Moscow in all areas, which include procurement of weapons, military training exercises and intelligence sharing.

“In the defense field, we signed a historical and unprecedented Pakistan-Russia defense agreement in 2014. As a result, we have been able to conduct joint exercises.”

“Pakistan has purchased Russian Mi-35 helicopters and now we are looking at a much wider range of defense cooperation. In terms of training, Pakistani officers are coming to Russia and Russian officers are going to Pakistani facilities for training,” he informed the reporters.

“We are also now discussing a wider range of military exercises, we are looking at a wider range of military equipment and intelligence sharing,” Khan said on the sidelines of the Moscow Conference on International Security (MCIS).

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Historically, Pakistan and Russia have been on the opposite side of the conflict in Afghanistan, but the former Cold War foes have now developed a mutual understanding on many international issues, according to Khan.

“Of course we have a history of the Afghan war in which we have been on opposite sides, but now as the second decade of the 21st century ends, we will be able to look at world realities with a different eye.”

“I am delighted to say that Pakistan and Russia are largely in agreement on major international issues like Afghanistan, fighting drug trafficking and the situation in the Middle East. We are now looking at almost all aspects of defense and there is excellent goodwill between our leadership,” he underlined.

The defence minister also expressed that Pakistan was grateful for Russian support in its bid for membership to the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, which it joined in 2017.

This article originally appeared on Sputnik News



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[danger007]

Oh you will be ... don't have too many wet dreams now lolz

As per thread title, it was you who is dreaming..

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

S-400 would help secure Euro Asia from Southern front and Pakistan play a Vital Role

• 12 Sukhoi-35 would be a positive start , with aim of may be 50-60 Jets over 5-8 years cycle proper figure to replace the F16 old stash we have

The T-90 Tanks are long long lon over due we created the Al Khalid Tank but it's sales did not materialized as we were expecting large scale sale so now we have to modernize our older zarar fleet in next 10 years

Enhancing Strong Asia / Euro ties is must for regional growth and stablity

It makes sense for Pakistan to Grow ties with Russia and China as they are our nighbour countries . Large population and easy to do business with

• STRONG TIES WITH RUSSIA ARE LONG OVER DUE

 

[BRAVO_]

pakistan made request for the same aircrafts back in 2016 which was turned down by Russians and i dont think they will approve it in near future so pakistan should stick with the plan of developing a new 5th generation aircraft with the help of friendly countries according to their needs

 

[Readerdefence]

Sir am posting from news paper and i think these are the words of mod

Hi my friend thanks for your reply appreciated
Again I’ll stick with my thoughts of getting Russian engines for Chinese j series birds if we able to make Russians to agree to that
Thank you