Pakistan deploys Chinese air defense systems, more attack & surveillance drones at India’s border:RT

[Goenitz]

the su30 has two types of missiles chasing it. The SD10A and AIM120C. su30's isreali self protection jammers managed to fool the AIM120C but not SD10A enough ultimately killed the flanker. But the AIM120C, upon missing the target, went back intru search mode and locked on to the mi17 nearby.

 

[Mrc]

The only saving grace for PAF is that they didn't cause any casualties,

Try to also understand the what response would have been if they did cause any casualties ..

They actually delayed the response to escertain just that....

Which in my view is a golden decision ..

Otherwise game would have been extremely different and very painful for both especially india


I think they understood that very well...

Try to put nukes in equation and understand it as well

Which Forum?

Try going through the aircrafts downed thread...

It has multiple videos of indian tv channels reporting about jet and dead pilots

 

[Thorough Pro]

You call it pandora's box, we call it Modi's arse. Phat gai hai BC ki.

They got one thing right, more attacks are very much possible in the future.
India has opened the Pandora’s box with its attack on Pakistan.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

IAF morale is down. They will not try any time soon. But India Navy is the threat Pakistan should watch out for.

we should target their base in bombay in case of a clash.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Try to also understand the what response would have been if they did cause any casualties .
They actually delayed the response to escertain just that...
Which in my view is a golden decision ..
Otherwise game would have been extremely different and very painful for both especially india
I think they understood that very well...
Try to put nukes in equation and understand it as well
Try going through the aircrafts downed thread...
It has multiple videos of indian tv channels reporting about jet and dead pilots

Let's keep the nuclear hang over to one side. I can understand what would be the response if the spice 2000 bombs caused casualties. Ok fine lets say that Pakistan have gone banana and killed few thousands Indian soldiers.
But would they have brought 300+ back to life!!! And change the fact regarding PAF failures to protect Pakistan and its citizens!! You are making my point that the Pak Government waited until confirmation received that there were no casualties. I have already stated that in one of my post, because this was confirmed by PM IK. But we are back to square one. My questions above. FACT : PAF didn't know until the morning, a- if the bombs hit their targets or not. b- What casualties they caused!!
Are you my friend professing that it is a good policy to let your enemy bomb your sovereign state with impunity and wait until you access the damage before responding!!!
I rest my case my friend, you have made my point.
I don't know why Pakistanis are so blinded that they cannot see what had happened and what were our weaknesses and what should be done that this never ever happened again. Responding later is just an effect. It doesn't matter what damage you cause later. Your damage is done, your loss of lives occurred. No one should be responsible for not doing their job!!![/QUOTE]

 

[Mrc]

Let's keep the nuclear hang over to one side. I can understand what would be the response if the spice 2000 bombs caused casualties. Ok fine lets say that Pakistan have gone banana and killed few thousands Indian soldiers.
But would they have brought 300+ back to life!!! And change the fact regarding PAF failures to protect Pakistan and its citizens!! You are making my point that the Pak Government waited until confirmation received that there were no casualties. I have already stated that in one of my post, because this was confirmed by PM IK. But we are back to square one. My questions above. FACT : PAF didn't know until the morning, a- if the bombs hit there targets or not. b- What casualties were there!!
Are you my friend professing that it is a good policy to let your enemy bomb your sovereign state with impunity and wait until you access the damage before responding!!!
I rest my case my friend, you have made my point.
I don't know why Pakistanis are so blinded that they cannot see what had happened and what were our weaknesses and what should be done that this never ever happened again. Responding later is just an effect. It doesn't matter what damage you cause later. Your damage is done, your loss of lives occurred. No one should be responsible for not doing their job!!!

[/QUOTE]


So what if they have just ingressed 2 km NOT dropped any bombs

And PAF has not waited for confirmation aand hit several air bases in return with few bombs missing tagets and exploding in villages...

Thats what u think ideal response shud have been

Or

Lets say they crossed few km and NOT dropped any bombs and we chased retreating bombers putting them down in their territory... Several of them. .

Which of above 2 scenarios u think was better suited??

Not talking about nuclear over hang does not make it dis appear...

By the way next time they probably will opt for just that....

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Try to also understand the what response would have been if they did cause any casualties ..

They actually delayed the response to escertain just that....

Which in my view is a golden decision ..

Otherwise game would have been extremely different and very painful for both especially india


I think they understood that very well...

Try to put nukes in equation and understand it as well




Try going through the aircrafts downed thread...

It has multiple videos of indian tv channels reporting about jet and dead pilots

Na man. Actual footage of SU 30 which I want to see

 

[Secret Service]

Hmmm, we have lost 400 Mig 21s and 230 pilots in the last 50 years. 99% of which was not lost due to enemy actions.
So I think we have lost too much due to inaction.

No airforce should be forced to use 50 year old aircrafts for defence.

Modi's elections campaign in Pakistan ended very badly. Lives of soldiers are more important than unusual chest thumping.

 

[crankthatskunk]

So what if they have just ingressed 2 km NOT dropped any bombs
And PAF has not waited for confirmation aand hit several air bases in return with few bombs missing tagets and exploding in villages...
Thats what u think ideal response shud have been
Or
Lets say they crossed few km and NOT dropped any bombs and we chased retreating bombers putting them down in their territory... Several of them. .
Which of above 2 scenarios u think was better suited??
Not talking about nuclear over hang does not make it dis appear...
By the way next time they probably will opt for just that....[/QUOTE]

My friend, you are not paying full attention to what I am writing and from where I am coming from.
First of all you have to separate the two things, their attack and our response.
Ignore our response to their attack. I have not criticise it. This response could have been whatever you think it could have been if we had loss of life.
The problem I am pointing is very simple but I think people are finding it difficult to follow a simple logic which is applied all over the world.
Why any country would be allow to intrude 2 km or 3/4 km what the DG ISPR said Indians did!!
When they entered your territory with hostile intends they have already declared war on you.
You have every right to respond to them, strike them and put them down, simple. No other choice.
It is stupid to make a policy that we would respond after assessment. If you strike them after their intrusion, it doesn't matter where they fall down!! Why it would be Pakistan's problem!! Many here are saying that Indians would have said they didn't intrude in our airspace and we would have been held responsible for starting the war.
Do these people forget the evidence of 4 spice 2000 bombs!!!
It is very simple equation for me, whoever was responsible for a- Indian jets allowed to enter our airspace and were able to launch 4 strikes in Sovereign Pakistan. b- Why they have failed to take immediate action against the intruders. Who passed those orders not to shoot the intruders.

 

[Mrc]

So what if they have just ingressed 2 km NOT dropped any bombs
And PAF has not waited for confirmation aand hit several air bases in return with few bombs missing tagets and exploding in villages...
Thats what u think ideal response shud have been
Or
Lets say they crossed few km and NOT dropped any bombs and we chased retreating bombers putting them down in their territory... Several of them. .
Which of above 2 scenarios u think was better suited??
Not talking about nuclear over hang does not make it dis appear...
By the way next time they probably will opt for just that....

My friend, you are not paying full attention to what I am writing and from where I am coming from.
First of all you have to separate the two things, their attack and our response.
Ignore our response to their attack. I have not criticise it. This response could have been whatever you think it could have been if we had loss of life.
The problem I am pointing is very simple but I think people are finding it difficult to follow a simple logic which is applied all over the world.
Why any country would be allow to intrude 2 km or 3/4 km what the DG ISPR said Indians did!!
When they entered your territory with hostile intends they have already declared war on you.
You have every right to respond to them, strike them and put them down, simple. No other choice.
It is stupid to make a policy that we would respond after assessment. If you strike them after their intrusion, it doesn't matter where they fall down!! Why it would be Pakistan's problem!! Many here are saying that Indians would have said they didn't intrude in our airspace and we would have been held responsible for starting the war.
Do these people forget the evidence of 4 spice 2000 bombs!!!
It is very simple equation for me, whoever was responsible for a- Indian jets allowed to enter our airspace and were able to launch 4 strikes in Sovereign Pakistan. b- Why they have failed to take immediate action against the intruders. Who passed those orders not to shoot the intruders.[/QUOTE]



Just watch the pictures and videos of pilot who burned to death in badgam for 5 minutes and let it sink in that war is not a joke and its not a video game either essentially in subcontinent scenario...

Response was professional and well calculated and appropriate. .

Next time they will either think very hard or pay even higher price .. Message is delivered sound and clear...

What ever strategy was adopted was fine cause u cannot argue with success

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Just watch the pictures and videos of pilot who burned to death in badgam for 5 minutes and let it sink in that war is not a joke and its not a video game either essentially in subcontinent scenario..

It was from the wreckage of Helicopter. Ryt?

 

[Mrc]

It was from the wreckage of Helicopter. Ryt?

No from a twin seater jet likely mirage 2000

 

[khansaheeb]

Hmmm, we have lost 400 Mig 21s and 230 pilots in the last 50 years. 99% of which was not lost due to enemy actions.
So I think we have lost too much due to inaction.

No airforce should be forced to use 50 year old aircrafts for defence.

That's what happens when Bhanyas rule India, why do you think Muslims left India?

 

[xyxmt]

They got one thing right, more attacks are very much possible in the future.
India has opened the Pandora’s box with its attack on Pakistan.

India has started digging her own grave, we have been ready for last 10 years waiting and waiting and waiting...please dont disappoint us this time

 

[BATMAN]

They got one thing right, more attacks are very much possible in the future.
India has opened the Pandora’s box with its attack on Pakistan.

Actually India has shut the pandora box for good.