Pakistan delegation forced out of Gujarat summit?

[Sedqal]

I dont think you understand.

India has already given MFN status to Pakistan. Giving MFN to another country boosts that countries export competitiveness in your market. Now even after giving Pakistan MFN, Pakistan has a huge trade deficit with India. Were India to withdraw MFN to Pakistan, Pakistan's exports would fall.

On the other hand, India without having MFN from Pakistan enjoys a huge trade surplus as most of India's exports reach Pakistan via UAE. So continuing to not give MFN to India does not make any difference. But if India was to retaliate economically - by withdrawing MFN, Pakistan would suffer, not India.

That is due to protectionism and MFN would matter in the first place if there is trade.

 

[karan.1970]

I am getting mroe and more convinced to vote for BJP in next elections

 

[KRAIT]

I am getting mroe and more convinced to vote for BJP in next elections

I am going to vote for Congress again, may be they will invite the Britishers and they might take the security situation better.

 

[Contrarian]

That is due to protectionism and MFN would matter in the first place if there is trade.

There is trade. Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of exports from Pakistan to India. If India withdraws MFN, that gets seriously affected. India is exporting to Pakistan via UAE, it hardly matters if you dont import directly from India. Its a loss to Pakistan in that case as well.

They would obtain the same goods at a cheaper rate buying directly from India than from UAE. That would also save forex for Pakistan.

 

[Sedqal]

There is trade. Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of exports from Pakistan to India. If India withdraws MFN, that gets seriously affected. India is exporting to Pakistan via UAE, it hardly matters if you dont import directly from India. Its a loss to Pakistan in that case as well.

They would obtain the same goods at a cheaper rate buying directly from India than from UAE. That would also save forex for Pakistan.

Trade relations benefit India more then Pakistan so I don't know why you would like to sell it. Pakistan won't trust India too many shenanigans.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

@Abu Zolfiqar You have to realize that you can't ban Bollywood and Indian products. Reason is demand of the people. The TV channels, video parlors don't do it because they want to, they do it because of the common man's demand.

Pakistan's population want these things. If you want to change, change the common man and good luck with that.

Movie are addictive, you can't take away Bollywood and Indian product from Pakistan.

What Modi has done is sending the message that you don't come and do business with us while your army cut heads off our soldiers. Hope Indian govt. had some sense.

As for affecting Pakistan's economy, your entertainment industry and many other industries are already suffering due to Indian products. Also the black market deals through UAE bring Indian products to your market.

Another way of affecting your economy is that our economy can handle these weapons purchases but it forces you to spend more on your own weapons too. Whereas most of our weapons are China oriented.

Also keep borders tense will create financial strain on PA too. This is the last thing they need while they are dealing with insurgents and fighting within their own country nd western borders.

India has also blocked loans from ADB to Pakistan in past .

sure you can....you just ban them and penalize those that sell them for profit. Simple.

we dont need to flood your markets with simple or value-added goods when from what i heard - plenty of fake currency is in circulation in your country

and weapons purchases don't affect us; the budget to military is pre-determined and they work with those budgets. It's not like army/PAF/navy have a blank cheque and a carte-blanche. So spare us from having to reply to nonsense.

Under the previous regime we were one of the fastest growing economies and that's where we'll be once Zardari and his PPP goons are given the boot and they go take refuge in London or New York or Dubai.

bottom line -- india can't do squat.

Trade relations benefit India more then Pakistan so I don't know why you would like to sell it. Pakistan won't trust India too many shenanigans.

I hope the MFN gesture is cancelled; these idiots don't deserve it

from what i heard, Army has shut down incoming cross-border trade (which was just cheap vegetables anyways)

 

[Hulk]

Why the misreporting (even with the question mark at the end)?

There was a problem with their visas. They did not have visas for Gandhinagar where the summit was held. It is not yet known who messed up but no point commenting and playing vicim unless we know the facts.

Pak delegation fails to attend Vibrant Gujarat Summit, had visa only for Ahmedabad - The Economic Times


@Silverblaze - your comment reminds me of the pakistan squash association claim that the indian head of international squash association was responsible for pakistani players not getting visas for a tournament. Investigations revealed that the pak officials had sent the applications to the wrong country The pak head was banned.

World Squash Federation bans PSF secretary Irfan Asghar | Sport | DAWN.COM

In India, Pakistan context it is very common for people to twist the fact and blame the other side.

 

[KRAIT]

@Abu Zolfiqar
Well I can't debate if someone is ignoring basic things.

Weapon purchase by India affects Pakistan. Anyone can tell you.

As for ban, keep on, Pakistan film industry is trying to do, nothing happened.

You buys good from India via UAE and they are sold at higher cost.

As for fake currency, keep doing it, more effective measures have been used.

As for previous govt. Mushraff was the one who allowed Bollywood Movies. And as for govt., when our govt. will go, you will find things more bad for you.

BTW when India invested $ 2 billion in Afghanistan, Pakistan govt. said they will give $ 500 million to Afghanistan.

So, buddy this is what happening.

 

[illusion8]

stoppage of Economic, trade, travel, cultural and sports activities and withdrawal of diplomatic staffs and closure of embassies - these should have been done immediately.

 

[idune]

[MENTION=13874]You have to realize that you can't ban Bollywood and Indian products. Reason is demand of the people. The TV channels, video parlors don't do it because they want to, they do it because of the common man's demand.

Indian politicians, govt and media are whipping up anti Pakistan sentiment. That is clear sign of extremist and rouge state. Pakaistani institutions have not done that yet. If that is done at all these level as india doing it would hard for india to live.

Wan't there some deal was made for indian industry to set up shop in Pakistan and india supplying some locomotive (among other things)? Simply canceling these would send proportionate response to indian adventure.

 

[KRAIT]

Indian politicians, govt and media are whipping up anti Pakistan sentiment. That is clear sign of extremist and rouge state. Pakaistani institutions have not done that yet. If that is done at all these level as india doing it would hard for india to live.
Wan't there some deal was made for indian industry to set up shop in Pakistan and india supplying some locomotive (among other things)? Simply canceling these would send proportionate response to indian adventure.

Micromax, Indian cell phone company launched in your country.

We will earn from you guys too.

 

[Rusty]

Indians thinking that they can seriously hurt Pakistan via economy or travel is like Antarctica thinking it can hurt US economy the same way.

You guys build a few call centers and all of a sudden think you are a galactic supa dupa pawa.
Seriously guys, the biggest import from India is Bollywood and even that is almost all pirated so you guys don't see a dime of it.
The other industries are so limited that even if there was a 100% withdraw from the Pakistani market it would not be a big problem.
As for travel, the only real travel happens between families on both sides, so you only hurt them.

And it's funny that Indians are bragging about the fact that their nation is starving it's people to buy French and Russian military goods and then using that relationship to block Pakistani access.

The thing is, France and Russia are not the only countries who make weapons
It would be one thing to tell a starving kid in Delhi that "you must starve so we can prevent Pakistan from getting weapons" and it's another to tell that kid "you must starve so Pakistan can't buy Russian or French wepons....by they can America, German, Chinese, etc weapons..."

 

[KRAIT]

Indians thinking that they can seriously hurt Pakistan via economy or travel is like Antarctica thinking it can hurt US economy the same way.
You guys build a few call centers and all of a sudden think you are a galactic supa dupa pawa.
Seriously guys, the biggest import from India is Bollywood and even that is almost all pirated so you guys don't see a dime of it.
The other industries are so limited that even if there was a 100% withdraw from the Pakistani market it would not be a big problem.
As for travel, the only real travel happens between families on both sides, so you only hurt them.
nd it's funny that Indians are bragging about the fact that their nation is starving it's people to buy French and Russian military goods and then using that relationship to block Pakistani access.
The thing is, France and Russia are not the only countries who make weapons
It would be one thing to tell a starving kid in Delhi that "you must starve so we can prevent Pakistan from getting weapons" and it's another to tell that kid "you must starve so Pakistan can't buy Russian or French wepons....by they can America, German, Chinese, etc weapons..."

Well I already posted the video link of how much Indian movies earn. 1.94 crore by a flop movie in India earned that money in Pakistan.

As for economy, we gave $ 2 billion to Afghanistan, you released $ 500 million for them.

You can't buy weapons that's why you don't buy one. Ask Oscar, why you haven't got J-10B.

As for starvation, look at people your country's condition first. Terrorism on rise, Genocide of Shias at daily basis, Target killings in Karachi, entire Pakistan is burning.

We have to buy weapons because of a emerging super power called China. If we don't do it, we will get spanked by China just like US spank you invading your country any time they want.

 

[Rusty]

Well I already posted the video link of how much Indian movies earn. 1.94 crore by a flop movie in India earned that money in Pakistan.

As for economy, we gave $ 2 billion to Afghanistan, you released $ 500 million for them.

You can't buy weapons that's why you don't buy one. Ask Oscar, why you haven't got J-10B.

As for starvation, look at people your country's condition first. Terrorism on rise, Genocide of Shias at daily basis, Target killings in Karachi, entire Pakistan is burning.

We have to buy weapons because of a emerging super power called China. If we don't do it, we will get spanked by China just like US spank you invading your country any time they want.

Okay, so lets say what you said is true
So now is your plan to "strangle Pakistan" by stopping Bollywood?
Gotta give it to you Indians, no one on earth think like you people.
It's not like there is a world wide network of computers that are linked together and it's not like one can make a copy of a movie and post that copy onto this world wide network of computers, and then it's not like someone from Pakistan can download this copied movie and put it on a DVD and sell it to the local population.
I mean if we had such a system then Indian would be screwed in their plan....

So you Gave Afghanistan some money, Pakistan gave them a little less......which part of this story shows how you will economically strangle Pakistan?

There is a differences between can't afford weapons and Can't buy them.
Pakistan's economy is smaller than Indians, that is a fact. Indian can strangle Pakistan's economy is fiction.

Hey, Pakistan is not known as the slum dog country that is the world's largest importer of weapons. My point was on topic and legit, you are just throwing a hissy fit and going off topic because I burned you with facts.

By that logic China should be the world's largest importer, instead they make their own weapons while bringing half a billion people out of poverty. Indian on the other hand creates more poverty and is the worlds largest importer of weapons.

 

[KRAIT]

Okay, so lets say what you said is true
So now is your plan to "strangle Pakistan" by stopping Bollywood?
Gotta give it to you Indians, no one on earth think like you people.
It's not like there is a world wide network of computers that are linked together and it's not like one can make a copy of a movie and post that copy onto this world wide network of computers, and then it's not like someone from Pakistan can download this copied movie and put it on a DVD and sell it to the local population.
I mean if we had such a system then Indian would be screwed in their plan....
So you Gave Afghanistan some money, Pakistan gave them a little less......which part of this story shows how you will economically strangle Pakistan?
There is a differences between can't afford weapons and Can't buy them.
Pakistan's economy is smaller than Indians, that is a fact. Indian can strangle Pakistan's economy is fiction.
Hey, Pakistan is not known as the slum dog country that is the world's largest importer of weapons. My point was on topic and legit, you are just throwing a hissy fit and going off topic because I burned you with facts.
By that logic China should be the world's largest importer, instead they make their own weapons whiling bringing half a billion people out of poverty. Indian on the other hand creates more poverty and is the worlds largest importer of weapons.

:Look at how many millions India bring peple out of poverty every year.

As for Bollywood, why will we stop it ? It has ruined your film industry after all.

Well $ 2 billion is nothing for $ 1.8trillion dollar economy, while $ 0.5 billion for $ 250 billion economy, check the percentage wise.

You have lack of funds and you take money from US who kills your own people. At least we don't do it.

BTW take care of your country which is burning everyday with genocides of Shias. You can't handle TTP, BLA and you talk about war with India.