Pakistan defies ICJ order, won't grant consular access to India in Kulbhushan Jadhav case

[Samudra Manthan]

OK Get Some Education The Court Has Just Granted A Temporary Stay Nowhere Has The Court Found Yadav Innocent

The case was not about Yadav's innocence. The case was about Pakistan's culpability.

 

[NakedLunch]

The case was not about Yadav's innocence. The case was about Pakistan's culpability.

LOL! If Yadav is not innocent then Pakistan is not culpable! LOL! Where did you get your logic from?

 

[Samudra Manthan]

LOL! If Yadav is not innocent then Pakistan is not culpable! LOL! Where did you get your logic from?

Pakistan is culpable because it is not in a situation of war and withholding a national of another country without due process of law in violation of its international obligations. Which is what Pakistan was told in clear words and asked not to rush into the situation without further orders from the court.

 

[NakedLunch]

Pakistan is culpable because it is not in a situation of war and withholding a national of another country without due process of law in violation of its international obligations. Which is what Pakistan was told in clear words and asked not to rush into the situation without further orders from the court.

LOL! What? Pakistan is not in a state of war so it cant try Yadav? Where did you get that logic from? Are you just making this up as you go along? Who was Bin Laden in a 'State of war' with and where did he get the authority to be in a state of war? A 'State of War' is not what is in question here. Stop throwing words at me just because you can type in English.

 

[Jackdaws]

Pakistan seemed do desperate to prove their allegation of Indian involvement on Pak soil, they seemed to have bitten more than he can chew. Why wasn't he tried in a civilian court?

 

[Vanamali]

Counselor access to a serving SpY ...what a debate...bt I think India nw face more setbacks bcoz Pandora box opend nw..and gave Pakistan a way forward for highlighting more issue's like kashmir etc. In ICJ...and in jadav case in the name of national security Pakistan has h huge edge..Pakistan nw hv a plateform "ICJ" where they can Highlight RAW involment in Blochistan..

We Indians have to learn few things from Pakistan, seeing victory in defeat. First you people were saying ICJ will give favourable judgement to Pakistan, when it didn't happen you will say something else. We should learn from Pakistanis how to be happy even when everything is going bad and find one scapegoat to accuse the reason for all the wrongs. So simple logic, make lifeeasy by not taking responsibility for what they do and always look for scapegoat. God bless Pakistan.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

We Indians have to learn few things from Pakistan, seeing victory in defeat. First you people were saying ICJ will give favourable judgement to Pakistan, when it didn't happen you will say something else. We should learn from Pakistanis how to be happy even when everything is going bad and find one scapegoat to accuse the reason for all the wrongs. So simple logic, make lifeeasy by not taking responsibility for what they do and always look for scapegoat. God bless Pakistan.

well sir that is the main reason why Pakistan happiness index is far greater than India. Even after 15 years of war against terrorism we are pushing towards development and success. And as far as ICJ ruling is concerned it is up to Pakistan to decide whether we have to leave your spy or not or even provide councilor access or not. Even ICJ ruling cannot force us to do anything because in the past rarely any nation followed ICJ verdict. And did India made any homework what will it do if Pakistan decided to not follow ICJ verdict if it came against Pakistan intensions? Have you ever thought of that?

 

[SrNair]

Nothing in here to suprise.
We knows that Pakistan is not going obey ICJ ,perhaps they may execute him.
But point from India's side was different.
Kulbhushan Yadav is not a spy .
Otherwise India wouldnt dare to drag this issue in to ICJ.
Now if they execute him then we can start another diplomtic offensive like we did in 26/11.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Nothing in here to suprise.
We knows that Pakistan is not going obey ICJ ,perhaps they may execute him.
But point from India's side was different.
Kulbhushan Yadav is not a spy .
Otherwise India wouldnt dare to drag this issue in to ICJ.
Now if they execute him then we can start another diplomtic offensive like we did in 26/11.

Sir but what was the benefits of the so called "diplomatic offence" taken by India. Neither Hafiz Saeed is punished. Nor any sanctions on Pakistan has been made by any international bodies. But rather it had created problems for India itself as Pakistan is now messing with India on every international occasion. Be it NSG or CPEC or Current issue of Cmdr Jadav.

 

[SrNair]

Sir but what was the benefits of the so called "diplomatic offence" taken by India. Neither Hafiz Saeed is punished. Nor any sanctions on Pakistan has been made by any international bodies. But rather it had created problems for India itself as Pakistan is now messing with India on every international occasion. Be it NSG or CPEC or Current issue of Cmdr Jadav.

You cant see the results .But we can see that .After 26/11 terrorists attacks inside the nation is reduced next to zero .
Pakistan's reputation has faced serious damage .Your officials invited all those diplomats and sent all those diplomats in every capital to garner attention about Kashmir .But does anyone care?
NSG ,CPEC ,only China is creating problems in there again not for Pakistan but for their own interests .And we have begun the repayment with compound interest .

Pakistan dont have any role here.
Jadav case was a shameful episode for Pakistan in ICJ

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

You cant see the results .But we can see that .After 26/11 terrorists attacks inside the nation is reduced next to zero .
Pakistan's reputation has faced serious damage .Your officials invited all those diplomats and sent all those diplomats in every capital to garner attention about Kashmir .But does anyone care?
NSG ,CPEC ,only China is creating problems in there again not for Pakistan but for their own interests .And we have begun the repayment with compound interest .

Pakistan dont have any role here.
Jadav case was a shameful episode for Pakistan in ICJ

Sir again after Mumbai attacks several terror attacks took place inside india including URI and Pathankot attack. And did you forget the yesterday fire fight between militants and Indian army in Kashmir. The Kashmir armed resistance movement which was shut down during the time of Musharaf had been restarted and reinitiated. The hostility with Pakistan is causing only India more difficulties and problems rather than solutions. So one thing the general public of India need to understand Pakistani people and Pakistan Army will never allow India to bully them and we would never bow down in front of you guys forget about it. But I can't say same about politicians.
Also do you really think in international arena there is any concept known shameful or embarrassing? If that was the case then most of the world issue might had been solved by now. As big nations like USA , Russia , Israel would have felt shameful for what they had done in Iraq,Syria and Palestine.
As diplomacy in world is concerned yes we are lacking that area. But still we have good relationship with almost all Islamic countries ( current example of Saudi invitation for Trump visit). With China and Turkey we have strategic relationship and with Russia and Israel we are neutral. So it's not like we are lagging far behind in that area from India.

 

[SrNair]

Sir again after Mumbai attacks several terror attacks took place inside india including URI and Pathankot attack. And did you forget the yesterday fire fight between militants and Indian army in Kashmir. The Kashmir armed resistance movement which was shut down during the time of Musharaf had been restarted and reinitiated. The hostility with Pakistan is causing only India more difficulties and problems rather than solutions. So one thing the general public of India need to understand Pakistani people and Pakistan Army will never allow India to bully them and we would never bow down in front of you guys forget about it. But I can't say same about politicians.
Also do you really think in international arena there is any concept known shameful or embarrassing? If that was the case then most of the world issue might had been solved by now. As big nations like USA , Russia , Israel would have felt shameful for what they had done in Iraq,Syria and Palestine.
As diplomacy in world is concerned yes we are lacking that area. But still we have good relationship with almost all Islamic countries ( current example of Saudi invitation for Trump visit). With China and Turkey we have strategic relationship and with Russia and Israel we are neutral. So it's not like we are lagging far behind in that area from India.

Attacks in troubled area like Kashmir is very different ,far apart than the attacks happened in our economic capital ,temples our southern cities ,reputed institutions,Parliament etc.
Now attacks like that is almost impossible for Pakistan .India in 2003 where ceasefire agreement signed is quite different than India in 2017.
Noone cares about Kashmir except us.


That is where you face comprehension issues .You can take the example of two nations
One is Israel and other is Iran.
Both of them are very committed in their interests ,idealogies ,policies etc .They wont change their policies and their diplomacy is in synchronized with that policies .
World knows their interests and their character. So they have reputation among international diplomatic circles .
But in case of Pakistan things are bad to worse .Noone knows where is the power and dont have any reliable policies or structures .This is not the case of Iran or Israel.
We are the one that shapes our own image in the world .Pakistan failed in that field.

Did we asked the Pakistanis to bend towards us ?
If you are abstained from funneling and funding terrorism in India then we are grateful and shows neutral attitude.
We wont cap our strategic initiatives ,Weapons development or purchasing etc for satisfying Pakistanis or Pakistan.

 

[Dhara]

I have notice some points,

Why India is jumping up and down over a suspicious person with forces background, caught in Pakistan with fake passport issued in India?
Why not they go to international forum over K.Y before execution order since they clearly knows charges leveled on K.Y by Pakistan serious enough for hanging?

Why Pakistan refuses to councilor access since India can do nothing just over a few minutes talk under surveillance?
Why Pakistan suddenly announce his execution order?

All the points leading towards that K.Y is no more and some how India came to know and now wants to drag Pakistan over it since Pakistan can't prove or get more statements from a dead K.Y.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Attacks in troubled area like Kashmir is very different ,far apart than the attacks happened in our economic capital ,temples our southern cities ,reputed institutions,Parliament etc.
Now attacks like that is almost impossible for Pakistan .India in 2003 where ceasefire agreement signed is quite different than India in 2017.
Noone cares about Kashmir except us.


That is where you face comprehension issues .You can take the example of two nations
One is Israel and other is Iran.
Both of them are very committed in their interests ,idealogies ,policies etc .They wont change their policies and their diplomacy is in synchronized with that policies .
World knows their interests and their character. So they have reputation among international diplomatic circles .
But in case of Pakistan things are bad to worse .Noone knows where is the power and dont have any reliable policies or structures .This is not the case of Iran or Israel.
We are the one that shapes our own image in the world .Pakistan failed in that field.

Did we asked the Pakistanis to bend towards us ?
If you are abstained from funneling and funding terrorism in India then we are grateful and shows neutral attitude.
We wont cap our strategic initiatives ,Weapons development or purchasing etc for satisfying Pakistanis or Pakistan.

I am pretty sure Pathankot and police station in gudaspoor are not in Kashmir. Not to mention strategic attacks by Naxals in the south. But that's not the point we are debating . The point is the terrorism which had died down during last decade not only in India but also in IOK the wave has started to regenerate. And it won't be long before your cities are also targeted by fanatics. Just like 2002 and prior.

And again there is no comprehension issues. The world bodies and superpower knows where decision makers of our power for strategic interests lies (Pakistan Army). And whenever they want to discuss issues of critical nature they address Pakistan Army. Even your own media and politicians claim that Pakistan Army is a Army with a country where other countries have army. So your above claim is absurd that world does not know where our power lies and what structures or policies we have.

Now coming back to your claim that India does not want to bully Pakistan. Well you should explain that to your leadership. We got our answer in 1998 after Indian Nuclear tests what your intentions are when advani said " We will now destroy Pakistan whenever we we want and that is why you created it". And in 1971 Indra Gandhi mentioned " We have thrown the concept of Pakistan in Bay of Bengal". So history has again and again proven itself that we have to be extremely vigilant while dealing with India. If we would give a single chance to you guys will not leave the opportunity. So that is why I said we will never bow down in front of you. You guys want peace well and good but with equal standing. Otherwise we would be more than happy to keep on disturbing economic growth of India.

 

[SrNair]

I am pretty sure Pathankot and police station in gudaspoor are not in Kashmir. Not to mention strategic attacks by Naxals in the south. But that's not the point we are debating . The point is the terrorism which had died down during last decade not only in India but also in IOK the wave has started to regenerate. And it won't be long before your cities are also targeted by fanatics. Just like 2002 and prior.

And again there is no comprehension issues. The world bodies and superpower knows where decision makers of our power for strategic interests lies (Pakistan Army). And whenever they want to discuss issues of critical nature they address Pakistan Army. Even your own media and politicians claim that Pakistan Army is a Army with a country where other countries have army. So your above claim is absurd that world does not know where our power lies and what structures or policies we have.

Now coming back to your claim that India does not want to bully Pakistan. Well you should explain that to your leadership. We got our answer in 1998 after Indian Nuclear tests what your intentions are when advani said " We will now destroy Pakistan whenever we we want and that is why you created it". And in 1971 Indra Gandhi mentioned " We have thrown the concept of Pakistan in Bay of Bengal". So history has again and again proven itself that we have to be extremely vigilant while dealing with India. If we would give a single chance to you guys will not leave the opportunity. So that is why I said we will never bow down in front of you. You guys want peace well and good but with equal standing. Otherwise we would be more than happy to keep on disturbing economic growth of India.

Then why would you elect a democratic govt ?
Your govt policy shouldnt evolve around some media reports in some foreign nations That is your choice
This what I said western and other nations wont take you seriously .
They prefer democratic govt and that is why your army allow democratic govt .

Destroy only if you attack us .

And does any one told you to attack India during 1971?India involved only after Ops Chenghiz Khan poor imitation of Israeli raid .Donot try to test patience then history wont repeat .
Forget about equal standing .
We are in a different league and dont have enough time to consider to emotions.

Nope .Bitter experience after 26/11 will forced Pakistan to think twice.
Pakistan can do nothing to stop our economic growth