Pakistan defies ICJ order, won't grant consular access to India in Kulbhushan Jadhav case

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

1- One is not an spy unless its proven in court.
2- Unless proven, one is innocent.
3- An innocent need to be provided fair trial and his choice of defence.
4- Viena Convention safeguard his rights.
5- Even if he is a serving armed force officer and raising war on pakistan, he shall be treated as per geneva convention.
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1. He has been proven a spy and a terrorist in our country court.
2. He is not innocent and he confessed it.
3. Even a terrorist like kalboshan was given a free and fair trial under the law of the land.
4. Vienna convention safeguards his right but 2008 agreement don't.
5. He was not raising any war during a time at which war was declared but doing it in peace time. And according to your definition if he is a POW then he can be subjected to crimes against humanity and be treated as a war criminal for his role in killing civilians.

And plz don't tell me That Pakistani courts are kangroo blah blah.
Ajmal kasab was never proved guilty at ICJ too. This doesnot mean he was never proved guilty at any court.

 

[Mysterious Soilder]

Point is Pakistan has been trying for a long time now to prove India's involvement in Balochistan and has sent its dossiers to almost all the capitals of the world and no one is interested in Pakistani stories. ICJ hearing will also be much of the same because there simply is no substance to Pakistani arguments.

Kashmir issue will never be taken up by ICJ because it comes within the ambit of bilateral discussions and India will never agree for a third party intervention. You must know Justice Katju's words are taken as words of a senile old man well past his utility.

Bharamdan bugthi is operating frm India n u just say that Pakistan is Trying to prove involment...dear the world all khows about spying and India doctrine...its all about lobbying game...I m hoping that their is something in jadav case...bcoz there r many spys detaind by both countries..so highlighting Jadav by ISPR...!

 

[oOo]

1. He has been proven a spy and a terrorist in our country court.
2. He is not innocent and he confessed it.
3. Even a terrorist like kalboshan was given a free and fair trial under the law of the land.
4. Vienna convention safeguards his right but 2008 agreement don't.
5. He was not raising any war during a time at which war was declared but doing it in peace time. And according to your definition if he is a POW then he can be subjected to crimes against humanity and be treated as a war criminal for his role in killing civilians.

And plz don't tell me That Pakistani courts are kangroo blah blah.
Ajmal kasab was never proved guilty at ICJ too. This doesnot mean he was never proved guilty at any court.

Sir, please dont take it an an insult, but you need to read a lot. You response are half cooked at best.

1- Proven without given him his legal right to defend? You know you dont have any information on judicial process which sentenced him.
2- Such confession falls flat in any court if they are not backed by tangible evidences.
3- You wish the same, you have nothing to show me.
4- Did you read ICJ order about 2008 agreement, let me help you out-
"It is sufficient at this point to note that the provisions of the 2008 Agreement do not impose expressly such a limitation. Therefore, the Court considers that there is no sufficient basis to conclude at this stage that the 2008 Agreement prevents it from exercising its jurisdiction under Article I of the Optional Protocol over disputes relating to the interpretation or the application of Article 36 of the Vienna"
5- Sure, execute him. But please follow a process.

Bharamdan bugthi is operating frm India n u just say that Pakistan is Trying to prove involment...dear the world all khows about spying and India doctrine...its all about lobbying game...I m hoping that their is something in jadav case...bcoz there r many spys detaind by both countries..so highlighting Jadav by ISPR...!

Yes, there are lot of spies operating in India and Pakistan but this is first time when Pak is pinning Jadhav with more than he is responsible for. He might well be a spy but your armed forces want to present him as Osama Bin laden who single handedly responsible for all mess in Balochistan region. How many spies you have seen paraded on television bu India or Pakistan?

India would not have reacted this high if he was treated for what he actually was.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Sir, please dont take it an an insult, but you need to read a lot. You response are half cooked at best.

1- Proven without given him his legal right to defend? You know you dont have any information on judicial process which sentenced him.
2- Such confession falls flat in any court if they are not backed by tangible evidences.
3- You wish the same, you have nothing to show me.
4- Did you read ICJ order about 2008 agreement, let me help you out-
"It is sufficient at this point to note that the provisions of the 2008 Agreement do not impose expressly such a limitation. Therefore, the Court considers that there is no sufficient basis to conclude at this stage that the 2008 Agreement prevents it from exercising its jurisdiction under Article I of the Optional Protocol over disputes relating to the interpretation or the application of Article 36 of the Vienna"
5- Sure, execute him. But please follow a process.

1. I know about such court and judicial system. Even Pakistan own military men are tried under the same court with same process.
2. such confesses ae even considered evidence in yor own country courts. You don't know anything about a spy game. No spy is ever arrested with out proper evidences. Many are even not arrested after evidences are gathered and are used for own purpose without him even knowing. Many indian spies arrested before gave accepted their role as a spy with in minutes after arrest because they know their identity had been compromised and enemy have already collected evidences. 1 RAW agent arrested in islamabad in late 90s immediately on after arrest without raising any question said that at last you got me and requested for a wine as he was there in cover of a cleric.
Even ex RAW officials have said that he may be working for RAW. RAW knows he won't be saved due to evidences we have.
3. No indian so far have gave any reasonable answer to the only one evidence we showed out dof dozens so far. His fake ID.
4. ICJ order came later. We followed 2008 bilateral agreement, which even india is following since last 9 years too.
4.

 

[oOo]

1. I know about such court and judicial system. Even Pakistan own military men are tried under the same court with same process.
2. such confesses ae even considered evidence in yor own country courts. You don't know anything about a spy game. No spy is ever arrested with out proper evidences. Many are even not arrested after evidences are gathered and are used for own purpose without him even knowing. Many indian spies arrested before gave accepted their role as a spy with in minutes after arrest because they know their identity had been compromised and enemy have already collected evidences. 1 RAW agent arrested in islamabad in late 90s immediately on after arrest without raising any question said that at last you got me and requested for a wine as he was there in cover of a cleric.
Even ex RAW officials have said that he may be working for RAW. RAW knows he won't be saved due to evidences we have.
3. No indian so far have gave any reasonable answer to the only one evidence we showed out dof dozens so far. His fake ID.
4. ICJ order came later. We followed 2008 bilateral agreement, which even india is following since last 9 years too.
4.

Again lot of text with no legal arguments.

I say you put a fake id with him, can you prove otherwise? Let me claim he is a smuggler who use fake id to smuggle. What you have to prove he is a terrorist? Only that my army says so?

No, confession under remand are no evidence in Indian court unless they are given in presence of magistrate and defence lawyer.

I hope you know now that 2008 agreement is no good.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Again lot of text with no legal arguments.

I say you put a fake id with him, can you prove otherwise? Let me claim he is a smuggler who use fake id to smuggle. What you have to prove he is a terrorist? Only that my army says so?

No, confession under remand are no evidence in Indian court unless they are given in presence of magistrate and defence lawyer.

I hope you know now that 2008 agreement is no good.

a smuggler by Pakistani law is subjected to death sentence too.
By the way, he is then a state sponsored smuggler. A former navy officer with fake passport means, he was issued fake ID deliberately as his record was always with indian government.

 

[atya]

Its pretty clear that the entire case against Jadav is as Fake as a man's Vagina. Either way, why bother fighting a case in ICJ if they don't intend to respect it.

I am glad India has not made public the Capture of Col Habib unlike Pakistan. They can execute Jadav but it will now have costs.

You have been reported for indecent sexual content.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Master stroke by the brilliant indians...their genius is so vast that mere motals can't even percieve it. Wow....indians

Now they have got Pakistan after 70 years of attempts.. all thanks to modi's brilliance..

Now surely Pakistan will finally be isolated and with international sanctions will collapse and indians will walk in to create their big dream of greater baharaaat...Wow...Surgical stuff this....

Never gonna happen..ever!

Indians might have a friend in the form of Mr. Sharif...

but by Heavens... there will be Only Pakistan Standing... if Pak corrupt elites can't destroy Pak nothing indians can ever do will bring Pak down...

Pak will Remain Standing! It is Ordained Land! Sacred Land!

Enjoy the delusions, indians... what else can you do!!!



Corruptions is Crime Against Humanity!

 

[Mysterious Soilder]

Sir, please dont take it an an insult, but you need to read a lot. You response are half cooked at best.

1- Proven without given him his legal right to defend? You know you dont have any information on judicial process which sentenced him.
2- Such confession falls flat in any court if they are not backed by tangible evidences.
3- You wish the same, you have nothing to show me.
4- Did you read ICJ order about 2008 agreement, let me help you out-
"It is sufficient at this point to note that the provisions of the 2008 Agreement do not impose expressly such a limitation. Therefore, the Court considers that there is no sufficient basis to conclude at this stage that the 2008 Agreement prevents it from exercising its jurisdiction under Article I of the Optional Protocol over disputes relating to the interpretation or the application of Article 36 of the Vienna"
5- Sure, execute him. But please follow a process.



Yes, there are lot of spies operating in India and Pakistan but this is first time when Pak is pinning Jadhav with more than he is responsible for. He might well be a spy but your armed forces want to present him as Osama Bin laden who single handedly responsible for all mess in Balochistan region. How many spies you have seen paraded on television bu India or Pakistan?

India would not have reacted this high if he was treated for what he actually was.

Dear highlighting yadav case is nt a rating game of bollywood...see this in a way that Pakistan Army Take him onAir bcoz yadav iz nt individual its a network behind which was also caugt money trail and ect...its ur national security advisor doctrine proves by yadav...kashmir is a international issue..India admit or nt iz nt problm world knows bt...freedom is their right..so blaming game of pak vs india in kashmir issue make a scense bt in blochistan involvement..some thing bigger which can't tolerated so GOVT need some "BIG"...Look at yadav Official "Rank"...This iz BIG in spy World...

 

[Fledgingwings]

Indians are desperate to have him back.Good thing ISI has extracted some info juice out.

 

[oOo]

Dear highlighting yadav case is nt a rating game of bollywood...see this in a way that Pakistan Army Take him onAir bcoz yadav iz nt individual its a network behind which was also caugt money trail and ect...its ur national security advisor doctrine proves by yadav...kashmir is a international issue..India admit or nt iz nt problm world knows bt...freedom is their right..so blaming game of pak vs india in kashmir issue make a scense bt in blochistan involvement..some thing bigger which can't tolerated so GOVT need some "BIG"...Look at yadav Official "Rank"...This iz BIG in spy World...

Yep, big rank, still roaming around in enemy state sponsoring terrorism with Indian passport.

I will certainly believe Pak version when proofs will be presented to me and you to see and that he was given fair right of defending himself.

Right now the whole argument is that "our military said so he is terrorist".

He is just a pawn to counter Indian offensive on Pakistan support to terror and insurgencies in India. Had this been not the case, India would have never gone to ICJ.

 

[sohailbutt1987]

what you gonna do about it bhartio?! cry to ICJ go on, santions, do you people think in your punitive brains we are afraid, no more, **** gone, our land our law!

 

[Banglar Bir]

New Delhi’s ICJ mistake means Pakistan will approach world court on Kashmir: Former Indian SC judge
SAM Staff, May 21, 2017
Markandey Katju

Former Indian Supreme Court judge Markandey Katju has said that India’s decision to approach the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the case of Indian spy Kulbushan Jadhav is in fact “a serious mistake” on New Delhi’s part.

In a Facebook post, Katju, who is also the former chairman of the Press Council of India, was of the opinion that the move had in fact created an opening for Pakistan to approach the ICJ to look at “many other issues”, including the Kashmir dispute.

Voicing his concern about India’s decision to approach the ICJ, Katju said the reason why Pakistan did not seriously object to the question of jurisdiction was because it may in fact benefit Islamabad on other fronts.

“Now it is certain that Pakistan will approach the ICJ for deciding the Kashmir dispute…Pakistan must be very happy that we went to the ICJ over a single individual’s fate, as now they can raise all kinds of issues, particularly Kashmir, in international fora, to which we had always objected till now. By going to the ICJ we may have opened up a Pandora’s box,” Katju said.

Earlier this week, the ICJ restrained Islamabad from executing convicted Indian spy Kulbushan Jadhav until a final verdict in a case before it that seeks to declare Pakistan’s conviction of Jadhav “illegal”.

Jadhav was arrested on March 3, 2016, through a counter-intelligence operation in Balochistan’s Mashkel area for his involvement in espionage and sabotage activities against Pakistan. He was subsequently sentenced to death by a Pakistani Field General Court Martial (FGCM) in April this year. India has termed the death sentence awarded to Jadhav “an act of premeditated murder.”

http://southasianmonitor.com/2017/0...h-world-court-kashmir-former-indian-sc-judge/

 

[Contract Killer]

Its pretty clear that the entire case against Jadav is as Fake as a man's Vagina. Either way, why bother fighting a case in ICJ if they don't intend to respect it.



I am glad India has not made public the Capture of Col Habib unlike Pakistan. They can execute Jadav but it will now have costs.

Thats exactly my point.

On one side we have dragged Pakistan to ICJ, on the other side they cant even complain of we having there COL to any one.

Officially we are embarrassing them on international forum on there kangaroo court proceedings, whereas they cannot even show there pain to anyone.

They execute Jhadav, it will be official and will be criticized by all world community, whereas, we can eliminate there Col whenever we want, without any baggage.

What a Checkmate by Indian Govt.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Nopes, it means you have very poor comprehension skills.

And you Indians have great comprehension skills trying to save a terrorist . Who is proven before the court of law. He is gone forget about him simple is that.

Thats exactly my point.

On one side we have dragged Pakistan to ICJ, on the other side they cant even complain of we having there COL to any one.

Officially we are embarrassing them on international forum on there kangaroo court proceedings, whereas they cannot even show there pain to anyone.

They execute Jhadav, it will be official and will be criticized by all world community, whereas, we can eliminate there Col whenever we want, without any baggage.

What a Checkmate by Indian Govt.

Haha currently one more of your Indian spy is arrested from Islamabad. Makes me wonder who is check matting who? Well as far as your great Indian government strategy is concerned . You guys don't know that Pakistan wanted to internationalize the issue of indian terrorism in Pakistan.
And by going to ICJ you guys have given us that opportunity. And also given Pakistan the opportunity to take Kashmir dispute as well as IWT to ICJ. And even if the verdict don't come in Pakistan favour. Pakistan is not bound to follow ICJ vedict. Similar to.other nations in the past like USA and China. We have your spy , We internationalize the subject, You guys gave us opportunity to take other disputes to ICJ. So not sure what celebration is about in India.
And as far as our Col. is concerned we know in war sacrifices are required . And we are ready to kill as many Indians as possible to protect Pakistan from your terrorism and also sacrifice as many as required to protect our motherland. This is known fact to every Pakistani Soldier.