Pakistan declines to join Saudi Arabia's anti-Iran alliance

[waz]

This is one hell of BS I read today. Who says we support Jundul shaytan? The person suffering from autisim would declare only shia is being systematically getting killed while ignoring many others who were targeted solely for being hypocrites = kaafir

Clutching at short straws. That's all it is.

 

[Screambowl]

this thread is dated march 16. But officially Pak has joined the coalition for direct or indirect intervention, so what is the problem now?

 

[Bratva]

Clutching at short straws. That's all it is.

Sire, there is a fine line at doing propaganda and taking cheap shots because Iran can't tolerate our presence in Yemen. i mean this is height of shamelessness. Did we ever condemn Iran for their involvement in Syrian conflict ? Senior members have gone full retard claiming some imaginary surveillance footage and some claiming Pakistan support Jundullah forgetting. Last month who caught and handed over jundullah acting chief. Pathetic thing is he was strolling in taftaan that day. took a bus ride. Rode over from Irani side of border comfortably. Caught in Pakistan when he was coming out of bus in quetta

Iran blames everyone except their own intel and security setup who can't fix their own problems yet they love to create problem in someone else house

 

[waz]

Sire, there is a fine line at doing propaganda and taking cheap shots because Iran can't tolerate our presence in Yemen. i mean this is height of shamelessness. Did we ever condemn Iran for their involvement in Syrian conflict ? Senior members have gone full retard claiming some imaginary surveillance footage and some claiming Pakistan support Jundullah forgetting. Last month who caught and handed over jundullah acting chief. Pathetic thing is he was strolling in taftaan that day. took a bus ride. Rode over from Irani side of border comfortably. Caught in Pakistan when he was coming out of bus in quetta

Iran blames everyone except their own intel and security setup who can't fix their own problems yet they love to create problem in someone else house

If anything Pakistan has stayed firmly out of Syria. No one takes note of that. This Yemen news is vague and even if there is "help" it won't be of any substance. It's just Sharif keeping himself relevant.

As for handing over the Jundullah militants, Pakistan has done a great deal and will continue to do so. I won't blame Iran or anyone. We need to work together. I'm just surprised at the posts on here.

 

[rmi5]

As for handing over the Jundullah militants, Pakistan has done a great deal and will continue to do so. I won't blame Iran or anyone. We need to work together. I'm just surprised at the posts on here.

waz, I know that you are one of the few Pakistani mods with balanced view, hence I'll need to tell you that the overall image of Pakistan is absolutely degraded in Iranian's public view after the activities of Jundallah. Most Iranians firmly believed that Pakistani government was behind this group, and the current alliance of Pakistan with KSA, is going to make them determined in their beliefs. As I am reading the farsi speaking media, they are really upset about Pakistanis, and I have read numerous times that "why we sent a big amount of help(after the Pakistan's flood) to a country that is backstabbing us"

 

[waz]

waz, I know that you are one of the few Pakistani mods with balanced view, hence I'll need to tell you that the overall image of Pakistan is absolutely degraded in Iranian's public view after the activities of Jundallah. Most Iranians firmly believed that Pakistani government was behind this group, and the current alliance of Pakistan with KSA, is going to make them determined in their beliefs. As I am reading the farsi speaking media, they are really upset about Pakistanis, and I have read numerous times that "why we sent a big amount of help(after the Pakistan's flood) to a country that is backstabbing us"

Firstly thank for you kind words about me. The fact does remain that Pakistan has handed over Jundullah militants and disrupted their activities. The group isn't backed by the government, as it makes no sense to be at odds with a Western neighbour, and a country that is needed greatly to stem the activities of the BLA, although they are more or less gone now.
Pakistan has good ties with the Saudis, but this whole alliance thing is hyped. Pakistan has too many issues on its plate for this to happen, and the majority of its people don't want to be part of any alliance that could see Iran at odds with Pakistan.
As for those who sent aid, that was very gracious of them and we all offer our thanks. They did so from the goodness of their hearts and they will be rewarded. At times like this saner minds should prevail. Nothing is concrete and there has been times in the past that Pakistanis have also acted the same way e.g. the 2009 sacking of the Pakistan embassy in Tehran. There are always ups and downs. There is no need to for people to go all out and declare life long enmities.
I for one do not wish Pakistan to be involved in anything but crushing internal terrorism and building the economy.

 

[mike2000]

The Uygur issue is an ethnic conflict that has nothing to do with Pakistan, so I don’t think China has to worry about Pakistan undermining China on this issue and us being part of this alliance is more symbolic than anything else.

P.S Pakistan is not doing this for religious reasons and has more to do with Saudi being one of our most important allies.

LOOL well thats what you might think, but not all your people might think the same way, afterall if all pakistani thought the uygur issue is Chinas own internal 'ethnic conflict'(never mind that there are several tens/dozens peaceful ethnic groups in China.lol) matter then we wouldnt be hearing news like this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/world/asia/02china.html?_r=0
China urges Pakistan to expel Uighur Islamic militants - BBC News
China Wonders if Pakistan Is Responsible for Xinjiang Violence | The Diplomat

Or maybe its also commie propaganda? lool

As for your last point about Pakistan getting involved in another sectarian Saudi/Iranian sunni-shia war, LMAO, you really believe Pakistan is getting involved because its a 'Saudi Ally'??lool Come on bro, be real. Pakistans leadership(not its civilians though) has already been bought out by the House of Saud, everybody who has even a little bit of knowledge in the middle east knows this fact. Its for the same reason you cant stop their Madrassas funding and Wahabists ideology imports from your country, even though tens/hundreds of thousands of your civilians died/are dying and will keep on dying as a result of this violent ideology

 

[ozzy22]

LOOL well thats what you might think, but not all your people might think the same way, afterall if all pakistani thought the uygur issue is Chinas own internal 'ethnic conflict'(never mind that there are several tens/dozens peaceful ethnic groups in China.lol) matter then we wouldnt be hearing news like this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/world/asia/02china.html?_r=0
China urges Pakistan to expel Uighur Islamic militants - BBC News
China Wonders if Pakistan Is Responsible for Xinjiang Violence | The Diplomat

Or maybe its also commie propaganda? lool

As for your last point about Pakistan getting involved in another sectarian Saudi/Iranian sunni-shia war, LMAO, you really believe Pakistan is getting involved because its a 'Saudi Ally'??lool Come on bro, be real. Pakistans leadership(not its civilians though) has already been bought out by the House of Saud, everybody who has even a little bit of knowledge in the middle east knows this fact. Its for the same reason you cant stop their Madrassas funding and Wahabists ideology imports from your country, even though tens/hundreds of thousands of your civilians died/are dying and will keep on dying as a result of this violent ideology

You really think the Uyghur’s need to come all the way to Pakistan to learn how to stab people with kitchen knives and why would Pakistan risk it’s really important relation with China over the Uyghur people?

The reasons for the thousands of deaths have to do with the massive mistake we made and other countries (Saudi, America) in being part of the removal of people’s democratic party of Afghanistan and the regrettable move of using extremists as proxies. Which hopefully Pakistan and the Saudis have learnt from and hopefully would not make that mistake again.

 

[mike2000]

China is fast in declaring people terrorists, even enviromental activists become terrorist there quickly but you ar free to believe whatever you want.

LOOL well you are right its just commie propaganda.......ahahahahhahah.....though i dont know if your Pakistani brothers agree with you. Will be interesting to get their point of view about what you said.......hihihihihihihih

 

[beast89]

hopefully this will become KSA's vietnam.

https://twitter.com/x/status/581227762222043137

Pakistan fights terror - Pakistan creates terror
Pakistan stay neutral - Pakistan Not neutral
Pakistan is not a puppet - Pakistan is a puppet

Pakistan entered most dangerous zone. no chance of safe return.

Pakistan should be worried about the giant that is india instead of fighting filthy royals battles.
I feel sorry for pakistanis that will suffer as result. I come from wealthy family and my mum's colleagues from med school left and live the good life in usa, and Canada and UK. They never consider coming back to Pakistan and who can blame them when Saudis drag pakistanis into their quagmire. At least this will increase hatred towards the Saudis.

 

[B@KH]

hopefully this will become KSA's vietnam.

https://twitter.com/x/status/581227762222043137

Pakistan should be worried about the giant that is india instead of fighting filthy royals battles.
I feel sorry for pakistanis that will suffer as result. I come from wealthy family and my mum's colleagues from med school left and live the good life in usa, and Canada and UK. They never consider coming back to Pakistan and who can blame them when Saudis drag pakistanis into their quagmire. At least this will increase hatred towards the Saudis.

The Pakistanis need to understand that by supporting the mushrikeen and quresh of Mecca they will get nothing but destruction. Yemen will be victorious by the will of God. they have to fight like Hamas. these mushrik Arabists are not smart and better than Israeli kuffar.

For sure people of Pakistan now on will head for a change and this process will be started. Both sunni and shia here will begin their efforts to get rid of the filthly wahabi lovers who destroyed a very capable nation. Pakistani war on terror is only a distractions and is only a joke with the people of Pakistan.

Ofcourse the people of Pakistan will have to suffer due to the sold out wahabi filth that put pakistan on path of war and destruction.

These Mushriks and Quresh e mecca can only sing songs and be proud of their western brand destructive power bigger than the pharao. They will not win now on. like Israelis they too will know what resistance infact is.

 

[بلندر]

This is one hell of BS I read today. Who says we support Jundul shaytan? The person suffering from autisim would declare only shia is being systematically getting killed while ignoring many others who were targeted solely for being hypocrites = kaafir

your ISI is coordinating them and cover them ...

 

[About.to.be.banned]

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All the king’s horses and all the king’s men… | Pakistan Today

As Saudi Arabia, allies launch airstrikes against Shia Houthis in Yemen, Pakistan responds positively to ‘need to ensure Kingdom’s defence’ while analysts warn Pak against joining intra-Arab conflict which can also affect Pak-Iran ties

Pakistan on Thursday decided in principle to join the Saudi-led Gulf countries’ alliance against Shia Houthi rebels to “defend the territorial sovereignty and integrity of Saudi Arabia”.

However, it is yet to be ascertained whether this assistance would be extended to Saudi Arabia in its offensive against the Shia Houthi militia into Yemen or the forces would be offered to ensure territorial integrity of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia had formally sought military support from Pakistan during the recent visit of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. A high-level delegation would visit Saudi Arabia today (Friday) to assess the situation.

While defence experts have cautioned Pakistan against any role in the Kingdom’s endeavours inside the Yemeni borders, PM Sharif has hinted at provision of troops to safeguard Saudi borders from any external threats.

PM SET IN MOTION:

As the situation in Yemen took a new turn with Saudi planes bombing the Shia Houthi rebels inside Yemen, Sharif Thursday evening chaired an emergency high-level meeting at the Prime Minister’s House to discuss the recent developments in the Middle East and a request forwarded by the Saudi government for military assistance.

The meeting was also attended by Chief of the Army Staff General Raheel Sharif and Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman, Minister for Defence Khwaja Muhammad Asif and Advisor to PM on National Security Sartaj Aziz.

“The meeting concluded that any threat to Saudi Arabia’s territorial integrity would evoke a strong response from Pakistan,” said an official statement issued following the meeting.

The meeting also decided that to send a delegation, comprising defence minister and adviser to PM on national security, to Saudi Arabia today to assess the situation and seek the needs of the Saudi government in their fight against Yemeni rebels. Senior representatives from the armed forces would also accompany the delegation.

“The prime minister said Pakistan enjoys close and brotherly relations with Saudi Arabia and other GCC countries and attaches great importance to their security,” the statement added.

QUANTUM OF SUPPORT:

Although no quick official word was available as to what sort of support Islamabad was going to extend to Saudi forces, the presence of the army chief and the air chief reflected that Saudi Arabia had sought air and ground assistance against Shia Houthis.

A Defence Ministry official said that the decision had been taken in principle to join the coalition against the rebels. However, the official said no specific help had been sought from Saudi Arabia as yet.

“The civil and military experts would ask from Saudi authorities about their assistance from Pakistan. Later, the government would decided how much support could be extended,” the official added.

PM WARNED:

Speaking on the issue, noted defence analyst Dr Hassan Askari Rizvi warned prime minister against becoming a party in conflict in the Arab World. However, he said it was premature to comment over the nature of Pakistan’s assistance to Saudi Arabia.

“It’s good if this assistance is aimed at safeguarding the territorial integrity of Saudi Arabia. However, it would be unfortunate for Pakistan if it decides to support any Saudi role inside Yemen. We need to stay away from the intra-Arab conflict,” he added.

Elaborating his views, Dr Rizvi said that in the Arab World, animosity and friendship are short-lived and any role in conflicts may undermine Pakistan’s interest.

“Rather, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif should play a role of an elder and advise the Kingdom for using political means to settle the problem in Yemen. Any adventure inside Yemen would undermine our relations with Iran and would come out as a big loss,” he added.

“Pakistan Army is already fighting a war against terrorists on its western borders while threats are already looming on our eastern borders. We should not push our army into a new war,” he concluded.

SAUDIA STRIKES YEMEN:

Earlier on Thursday, Saudi Arabia said that five Muslim countries, including Egypt and Pakistan, wanted to participate in the Gulf-led military coalition against Shia Houthi rebels in Yemen.

Together with Jordan, Morocco and Sudan, they have “expressed desire to participate in the operation” against the rebels, which the kingdom dubbed “Firmness Storm”, Saudi SPA state news agency said.

Saudi Arabia and four other Gulf states, including Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, announced earlier a decision to “answer the call of President Hadi to protect Yemen and his people from the aggression of the (Shia) Houthi militia.“

The Kingdom and its allies launched air strikes in Yemen against Houthi fighters, who have tightened their grip in southern city of Aden where the country’s president had taken refuge, the Saudi envoy to Washington said on Wednesday.

The kingdom’s ambassador to the United States announced from Washington that a coalition of 10 countries, including the five Gulf monarchies, had been set up to protect the Yemeni government. However, he declined giving any information on Hadi’s whereabouts, but said the president, who has fled his residence, was still running the government along with members of his Cabinet.

Jubeir said Iranian-backed Houthi Shia militants were now in control of the Yemeni air force and of the country’s ballistic weapons. He told reporters that Saudi Arabia had consulted with the United States but that Washington was not participating in the military operation.

A US official said that the United States was providing support to Saudi Arabia as it carries out its operation, but gave no details.

Jubeir said the operation, which was launched at 2300 GMT on Wednesday in response to a request for assistance by Hadi, was not limited to one particular city or region.

Gulf broadcaster al-Arabiya TV reported that the kingdom was contributing as many as 150,000 troops and 100 warplanes to the operations.

These latest developments follow a southward advance by Houthi militants, who are said to be backed by Iran, who took control of the capital Sanaa in September and seized the central city of Taiz at the weekend as they move closer to the new southern base of US-backed President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi.

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My take from perspective of India and Iran:

First I would start be negative for India and positive for Pakistan.

Pakistan's economy is in doldrums since 2007 ,and it is mired in civil war with TTP et al. Pakistan providing military services to Saudi would mean that Saudi would take over debt of Pakistan as a quid pro quo thus allowing Pakistan to have a chance at economic recovery. This is not good for India as it would chip away at massive economic superiority that India possess over Pakistan which would result in erosion of conventional superiority that India enjoys over Pakistan. Though I suspect that it would not have much effect because a decade of runaway growth of India economy along with stagnation of Pakistan's economy has created an unbridgeable gulf between India's and Pakistan's economy. Currently, Indian Defence budget is one-fourth of Pakistan's GDP and more than total revenue collected by Pakistan government. And even after Saudi stimulus, Pakistan's economy of $230 billion growing at 4.7% would add less than India's economy of $2.2 Trillion growing at 7.5% (Both estimates of IMF).

Second would be social stabilization of Pakistan due to this policy. Pakistan is facing insurgency from Sunni groups like TTP because TTP et al believe that Pakistan is not Islamic enough. With Pakistan establishment joining anti-rafida alliance, it could cut into popular support of TTP et al among hardliner Muslims as now Pakistan itself has become part of Islamic/Sunni alliance.This would mean that India would find it difficult to operate in Afghanistan , and stabilization of Western borders would lead to transfer of army to eastern border.


Positive for India and Negatives for Pakistan:

Sadly, there are no immediate positives for India, except if India goes to war with Pakistan in near future.

It is universally recognized in military circles that no Navy ,except USN, could break a blockade enforced by Indian Navy on Pakistan. Pakistan's navy's capability to withstand Indian navy is measured in hours and even if all navies of middle east form a united front, they too will sink withing hours. Indian Navy air force with 220 aircraft along with two aircraft carriers, one having complement of 30 Mig-29K + 6 Kamov Ka31 AEW&C helicopters, another with complement of 18 Harriers is larger than most of Air forces in the region and pretty much invincible.

In a war with India, a hostile or even uncooperative Iran would pose problems for Pakistan. In 1971 Indo-Pak war, Pakistan Airforce after suffering defeat in Air battle retreated to Iran (with permission of Shah) and Iran allowed transfer of Jordanian sabres to Pakistan. That option of resupply would close with an uncooperative government in Teharan. PAF may try to use Afghanistan for strategic depth but with Afghanistan having territorial claim on Pakistan, it is a dangerous move. PAF over Afghan air space also runs a threat of being intercepted by Indian mig-29's based in Farakhor air base (Tajikistan).

From perspective of Iran:

There are no positive for Iran. Pakistan has strongest and most competent military of any Muslim nation.

Arab coalition without Pakistan is akin to a blind leading a blind. They all have equipment, but no combat experience, and even quality of their personals is in doubt with their soldiers and pilots criticised for their chronic lack of discipline by most of their trainers ,including Pakistanis. Addition of Pakistan to this coalition would mean Arabian hardware supremacy reinforced by battle hardened and experienced Pakistanis.

There is very little chance that Houtis would be able to overcome this coalition.

From perspectives of Arabs: Everything is positive.


@SOHEIL @haman10 @raptor22 @Daneshmand @kollang @Serpentine @New @Parthianshot @mohsen @SALMAN AL-FARSI @scythian500 @yavar and other Iranians..


What is your take on implications of Pakistan entering war on behalf of Arab coalition would have on Iran?

 

[yavar]

Erdogan and Turkey its involvement for participating in so called Yemen coalition

EXCLUSIVE - Erdogan : "Iran, terrorist groups must withdraw from Yemen"

 

[yavar]

] @yavar and other Iranians..


What is your take on implications of Pakistan entering war on behalf of Arab coalition would have on Iran?

what you mean Pakistan join the fight ?? Pakistan has already joined it but there official denying they have .

it will be best thing if Pakistan start threatening Iran it,s tactical Atom bombs which they have
. i hope and pray for such day
.
you Indian will see the real power of Islamic Republic and Islamic Republic will exposed



I leave you with Israeli top General Yoram Ettinger and Former Ambassador in close meeting with some APAC and Ambassadors

whatch from 10 :40

quote " none of them none of them none of them Saudi Arabia Abu Dhabi Dubai Kuwait Bahrain Oman none of them individually and even combine they are not have the mach for conventional Iran let alone for nuclear Iran " end quote

the think was in my in my opinion he forgot to add to list Pakistan with its tactical Atom bombs other views He would

well we have to wait and see .