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By PAUL ALEXANDER, AP
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - The furor intensified Friday over Washington's decision to pursue Islamic militant targets inside Pakistan, with opposition lawmakers threatening the country could pull out of the war on terror if the U.S. refuses to respect its borders.

About 100 protesters burned American flags after the latest missile attack left at least 12 people dead in the North Waziristan region of the troubled northwest. Residents said they heard the sound of propeller-driven U.S. Predator drones circling overhead before the explosions.

President Bush secretly approved more aggressive cross-border operations in July, current and former American officials have told The Associated Press.

Since Aug. 13, there have been at least seven reported missile strikes as well as a raid by helicopter-borne U.S. commandos that Pakistani officials claim killed 15 civilians in tribally governed territory where the government has little control. The frontier region is considered a likely hiding place for Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri.

Pakistan's government and military have issued stiff protests to Washington over the recent rash of cross-border strikes, although the criticism appeared to be mostly rhetoric aimed at soothing domestic anger, given that Pakistan has few options for stronger action.

Domestic media have criticized the government for not reacting more strongly, even suggesting the public criticism is just lip service and that a secret deal has been reached with Pakistan's leadership allowing cross-border incursions.

Pakistan army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has denied that and vowed to protect the country's sovereignty "at all cost."

Leaders, including new President Asif Ali Zardari, have reiterated their commitment to fighting violent Islamic extremism and have aired no threats to withdraw their cooperation.

However, they are sensitive to public opinion in Pakistan, which is hostile to U.S. policy in the region.

Agitation on the issue by former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who heads the main opposition party and has a large popular following, could make it hard for Islamabad to maintain the close alliance with Washington forged by Zardari's predecessor, Pervez Musharraf.

"We need at this time to make it clear to foreign countries that Pakistan will not tolerate such actions," said Ahsan Iqbal, a lawmaker in Sharif's Pakistan Muslim League-N party. "If it continues, then Pakistan can consider pulling out completely from this war on terror."

Iqbal and another party leader called for an urgent parliament session to debate how Pakistan can respond.

"The parliament must be convened on a one-point agenda, because the nation is under a threat of war," said lawmaker Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan. "Irrespective of where the threat is, every inch of this country is sovereign. Every inch of this country is sacred."

Defense Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar said Pakistan's armed forces were "ready to meet any such eventuality if this is repeated" and evoked Pakistan's war against India in 1965.

Despite the strong language, parliament has few options beyond issuing a condemnation of cross-border raids and reiterating the country's sovereignty.

Realistically, there's not much Pakistan can do to stop the U.S. from mounting cross-border attacks, short of shooting down helicopters carrying allied forces. And breaking off relations would mean an end to billions of dollars in U.S. aid at a time when Pakistan's economy badly needs foreign assistance.

Most analysts doubt Pakistan is ready to reverse Musharraf's decision in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks to stand with Washington. Even Musharraf raised the specter of pulling out of the war on terror, complaining repeatedly that Pakistan's sacrifices in fighting the militants were not properly recognized.

Officials say more than 1,000 troops and police have died since 2001, far more than the losses for international forces in Afghanistan. Pakistan has also suffered a wave of suicide bombings that began last year and has killed and maimed thousands more.

Pakistani commentators have been near-unanimous in predicting that unilateral U.S. strikes and civilian casualties will wreck the moderate government's effort to persuade its citizens that fighting violent Islamic extremism is in their own national interest.

"America is daily deepening the well of resentment against itself that no amount of aid or pious diplomatic platitudes will ever fill," The News daily said in an editorial Friday.

Some analysts suggest the Bush administration is turning up the heat in Pakistan, hoping for last-minute victories in the face of a growing Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan.

But such cross-border operations are a "risky maneuver" and the U.S. has to be careful not to dismiss the help it is getting from Pakistan, said Robert Hathaway, director of the Asia program at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington.

"Too many of these operations will make the Pakistani army less willing to work with us," which could negatively affect future U.S. leadership," he said.

"Because the situation in Iraq has by most accounts improved, there's a capacity for the administration to shift gears and devote more military and intelligence resources to Pakistan and Afghanistan issues," said Daniel Markey, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

"What I don't know and what will be important is whether this is a shift that will be lasting," he said.

Zardari and Afghan President Hamid Karzai, at a joint news conference Tuesday, emphasized the need to eliminate civilian casualties, which fuel anti-government sentiment.

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Associated Press writers Stephen Graham in Islamabad, Ishtiaq Mahsud in Der Ismail Khan, Pakistan, Khalid Tanveer in Multan, Pakistan, and Carley Petesch in New York contributed to this report.
 
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thank god we have to do this when first attack happens in pakistan
 
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Pakistan has said again and again that WOT is Pakistan's own war against militants targeting innocent Pakistani civilians and PA has sacrificed precious lives in this war. But, shamefully, no westren country has realized that.

I have already said in another post and I say again that let's stop fuel supplies to NATO & US from Pakistan. US will be left to deal with her enemies Russia and Iran for the fuel supply (good luck) and in current geo-political scenario, i think both of them will turn down the offer. Also US is in no position to stage full scale conflict with Pakistan.

Atleast GOP should try to stand up firmly.

There are only two options and I am afraid they are not parallel, but inversly proportional to each other.

Option - 1 We decide we want dollars.

Option - 2 We decide to stand up firmly and say enough is enough.

GOP - This choice is difficult to make but not impossible.

Choose one, inform nation about your decision, and then for God sake, forget about the other option.
 
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If the US is boycotted is there a chance that the US Navy might attack Gawador and take posession of the port of Gawador while the US Army and airforce secure a road going from Gawador into Afghanistan? Does this not give the US an excuse to carve out Balochistan entirely as another occupied territory like Iraq or Afghanistan?



 
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This map is not nonsense, but merely a product of zionist ambition making itself clearly visible now in official means. This is worrying, but nothing new. I guess I have been scared to admit but, it looks like they know our religion better than we do and Islam is in fact the last frontier for the gora.

Now I would just like to see them try putting this puzzle together with their current state of affairs without any catastrophic screw ups.
 
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No the map was designed just a couple of years ago and has also been published in a US armed forces magazine. But the map is not the point, the question is what are the risks if any of giving the US an excuse to invade Balochistan--they might say it is essential for them to do so in order to secure military supplies for the Afghan occupation.
 
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Kharian

Its less than 6yrs olds - there is a article that goes with it - its called "Blood Borders" -
 
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Kharian

Its less than 6yrs olds - there is a article that goes with it - its called "Blood Borders" -

Borders shmorders, anyone can make a map and write an article. Question is, are any of these contingency situations possible? Is all out war possible first of all? Very likely, no. If there was, I'm sure the US would do everything in its capability and Balochistan looks like a good target as Gowodar would no doubt attract a lot of attention but all of this is taking place too close to Iran, I don't think they would sit quietly either. And the US would have to achieve overwhelming victory on all sectors to achieve a broken state like that within at least a few decades worth of fighting, again which it is not capable of sustaining at the given moment.

To me none of these scenarios are likely, and while it is fun and sometimes important to speculate on, I think we are beating a dead horse in regards to all out war with the US.
 
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The question is looking more and more like it should actually be Pakistan could end cooperation in war on itself because this is what it is turning into. So many people all over are starting to speculate more and more that the US actually wants to gang up with India and Afghanistan to crack Pakistan into two or more pieces.
 
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The question is looking more and more like it should actually be Pakistan could end cooperation in war on itself because this is what it is turning into. So many people all over are starting to speculate more and more that the US actually wants to gang up with India and Afghanistan to crack Pakistan into two or more pieces.

It will never happen, not without a nuclear holocaust of some sort.
 
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Borders shmorders, anyone can make a map and write an article. Question is, are any of these contingency situations possible?

Please examine the map carefully and you will see that events are in close correlation - please read the accompanying article and book - by the way the article was published in the US army journal.

Notice exactly where the insurrgency in Pakistan is taking place and who we say is supporting this insurrgency - then look at the map. Examine what happens to Kashmir, Balouchistan and Pakhtunkwa

Notice the before and after map of Iraq as well - notie that US and in particular Israel, have constituencies that are active, even now, to enable "Kurdistan" - such a development will effect Turkiye and Iran and Kuawit - again examine the maps closely.
 
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It will never happen, not without a nuclear holocaust of some sort.

What exactly are you saying, that pakistan will be forced to continue a war on itself?:confused:

Do you even understand what is going on? Proxy wars is the "in thing" right now and you can't really use nukes on scattered resistance since the pure concentrated force of nukes is made more for attacking battle formations with thousands of soldiers in a small space.
 
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This map and its article have already been discussed before in detail.

We need to understand that US government has think tanks that discuss different matters that might in any way affect USA. These think tanks float such ideas and then discussions are held. After discussion public opinion is moulded according to US interests and then a policy made and implemented. US been doing this since mid 90's. Perhaps this WOT is a part of that larger game. However so far they have not succeeded in their aims. US was hoping that by invading Iraq the ethnic divisions would widen and they would easily divide Iraq. Instead of that all ethnic factions united and are fighting in their own domains against USA. It is very difficult to predict how a nation shall respond when attacked. In case of Iraq the nation united instead of getting divided.

Now coming to Pakistan the same is to be expected. The reason is that provinces might have differences with each other but the people of Pakistan are not ready for another divide. Another factor is that the nation is united against USA. They all see them as the agressor and the problem. Even Baloch will resist US intervention in Balochistan. They might have small issues with central government but when it comes to Pakistan they will be fighting even harder than other provinces.

As far as ending cooperation in WOT is considered this perhaps is the best time to force our point on the US and ISAF. Nato and US are not at best of terms with Russia and their alternate supply route shall not be easily available. Pakistan should take Russia and China into confidence and then take a decision.
 
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Please examine the map carefully and you will see that events are in close correlation - please read the accompanying article and book - by the way the article was published in the US army journal.

Notice exactly where the insurrgency in Pakistan is taking place and who we say is supporting this insurrgency - then look at the map. Examine what happens to Kashmir, Balouchistan and Pakhtunkwa

Notice the before and after map of Iraq as well - notie that US and in particular Israel, have constituencies that are active, even now, to enable "Kurdistan" - such a development will effect Turkiye and Iran and Kuawit - again examine the maps closely.

:rofl: ... why would Afghanistan get Kashmir? This is puzzling. Where is China, Russia, India in all of this? I read the article, they act like Iran was going to give up strategic area to the Arabs :rofl: do you really think America would get this far without their own borders being torn up :lol:
 
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War on terror: ‘Pakistan did not agree to new rules of engagement’

LAHORE: New rules of engagement authorising United States ground attacks inside Pakistan, signed by President George W Bush in July, were not agreed to by that country’s civilian government or its military, US and Pakistani officials told the Washington Post. Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Kayani, according to the newspaper, was informed last month by senior US defence officials that if Pakistan failed to stem the flow of Taliban and other terrorist fighters into Afghanistan, the US would adopt a new strategy –one allowing ground strikes on targeted insurgent encampments. A senior Pakistani official told the Post that Kayani believed the strategy was still under discussion and that Pakistan’s counterinsurgency performance was improving. A senior European official said NATO allies were unaware if the new US rules had been approved. The official called the implementation of the new strategy “peculiar”, since its timing coincided with this week’s inauguration of President Asif Ali Zardari. Previous military rules of engagement, agreed to by Pakistan, allowed US forces to travel up to six miles across the border if they were in “hot pursuit” of fighters chased from inside Afghanistan. daily times monitor

At this point it pretty much looks like Gen. Kiyani was lied to and back stabbed by the Yank Defense establishment.
 
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