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Maybe we will see the attack helicopter combo in PAA of Z-10ME, T-129 with Ukrain or Russian engine & Mi-35 & old cobras for FC...
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Maybe we will see the attack helicopter combo in PAA of Z-10ME, T-129 with Ukrain or Russian engine & Mi-35 & old cobras for FC...
Maybe we will see the attack helicopter combo in PAA of Z-10ME, T-129 with Ukrain or Russian engine & Mi-35 & old cobras for FC...
My bro, i was talking about medium to heavy attack helicopters not light attack helicopters...Don’t forget the Ecureuil Helicopters being used as light attack helicopters. Probably a stop gap measure best suited to keep costs low and offer more units to spread around the FC bases. A decent COIN platform.
My bro, i was talking about medium to heavy attack helicopters not light attack helicopters...
Let's not get too carried away. Pakistan would be better of developing tactical drones than putting all the eggs in one basket.What constitutes large numbers?
thinking maybe 4 squadrons at 60 gunships
or maybe a dream number of 90 or 6 squadrons
if we have 6 squadrons we could arm a squadron each to the two strike Cores and have 4 independent squadrons for defence and force projection missions.
If we get panzer air defence as well, it would make up an awesome off rice defensive punch for strike cores
thoughts
kv
IIRC, the Chinese improved the sand filtration of the Z-10ME, likely in response to the PAA's feedback. Sure, it might not be the best high-altitude attack helicopter, but for desert and plains operations, the Z-10ME should be more than serviceable. AVIC is also promoting a miniature ALCM with it.Unfortunately , if the T-90’s roll from the east then Z-10s are going to have more of an impact than 1970s cobras armed with SALCOS missiles.
If anything, they can stall the desert front quite a bit.
Pakistan has managed this ZERO quality with some hard work - unfortunately they are saddled with this quite often. Interestingly, it is Pakistan who usually provides the feedback that goes into improving quality for this manufacturing country but that is kept by them for domestic consumption while still sending us a little less quality.
Pakistan considers Chinese attack helicopters on back of stalled AH-1Z, T129 deals
By Dominic Perry
26 February 2020
Pakistan looks set to turn to China for its attack helicopter replacement needs after US embargoes halted sales of rival Bell and Turkish Aerospace products.
Islamabad had in 2015 ordered 12 Bell AH-1Zs under the USA’s Foreign Military Sales process and then followed that in 2018 with a deal for 30 Turkish Aerospace T129s worth $1.5 billion.
Source: Shimin Gu/Wikimedia Commons
But the AH-1Z sale has been on hold since US President Donald Trump cut security funding to Pakistan, and export sanctions related to the US-built LHTEC T800 engines which power the T129 has led to the suspension of that contract.
This impasse, and a pressing need to retire its fleet of 48 Bell AH-1Fs, is now pushing Islamabad to consider alternatives, Major General Syed Najeeb Ahmed, commander, army aviation, told Defence IQ’s International Military Helicopter conference in London on 26 February.
“We are looking at other options. One of them is in China in the shape of the new attack helicopter they have created called the Z-10ME,” he says. “In case the first two options do not materialise this third option will be considered.”
Pakistan had previously evaluated an earlier version of the CAIC Z-10, but Ahmed says the latest iteration has improved weapons and systems.
Source: Turkish Aerospace
Ahmed is extremely doubtful that the AH-1Z deal can be resurrected, and although Turkish Aerospace is developing an indigenous replacement engine for the T129, he is not confident that this will be ready in time.
In fact, Pakistan has set a deadline of July this year for a final decision, Ahmed says.
The relative urgency is driven by India’s capability increases, as New Delhi grows its fleet of Boeing AH-64E Apaches.
“The Cobras are no match for the Apaches that the Indians are getting,” he says. “We definitely want to match that [capability].”
https://www.flightglobal.com/helico...ck-of-stalled-ah-1z-t129-deals/136944.article
Timeframe is what matters - it is very likely they could turn it around within 5 years given the airframe is sorted out. Having the common Engine will make a massive logistical difference for Pakistan and it may be that the Turks have already dangled this to PAA.IIRC, the Chinese improved the sand filtration of the Z-10ME, likely in response to the PAA's feedback. Sure, it might not be the best high-altitude attack helicopter, but for desert and plains operations, the Z-10ME should be more than serviceable. AVIC is also promoting a miniature ALCM with it.
That said, if the goal is to solidify our Sindh / Punjab fronts, then we should look at working with the Turks on their ATAK-2. It's a heavyweight akin to the Mi-28 and AH-64, but with the Mi-171's engines (VK2500).
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Fact of the matter is, there is no conflict on the horizon with India hence the army can wait it out. If things were so desperate, they would have shelled out the money for AH-1Zs regardless of the issues surrounding modes of payment, and bought more Mi-35s besides the token 4.
That tells me they are not in a rush to acquire attack helos gives out budget priorities as well. And it is very likely that Turk-US relations will patch up sooner than later.
But I definitely don't want to see Z-10s in service just for the sake of having an attack chopper in service that is far below the requirements set, given that these are expensive purchases that will stick with you for the next 4 decades.
Pakistan should be negotiating with the US on the Cobras regardless of what happens to ATAK. And as I had previously posted too, Italy is also working on the next version of A-129 which could easily fulfill PA requirements.
Z10ME engine and air intake were modified to handle itZ10 failed miserably during the high altitude tests
we should not compromise quality
we should hold out for T129 whats few more years where we have waited 3 decades maybe even 4
Most likely, different attack helos for different region and roleMaybe we will see the attack helicopter combo in PAA of Z-10ME, T-129 with Ukrain or Russian engine & Mi-35 & old cobras for FC...
it is probably for prototypes and may be for first batches, 3000shp TEI Turbo shaft is in developmentThat said, if the goal is to solidify our Sindh / Punjab fronts, then we should look at working with the Turks on their ATAK-2. It's a heavyweight akin to the Mi-28 and AH-64, but with the Mi-171's engines (VK2500).
Exactly if Z10ME fulfill 80 percent of our region with it, they can have them in limited numbers, for high altitude until we dont have turkish stuff MI 35 can do work aroundIIRC, the Chinese improved the sand filtration of the Z-10ME, likely in response to the PAA's feedback. Sure, it might not be the best high-altitude attack helicopter, but for desert and plains operations, the Z-10ME should be more than serviceable. AVIC is also promoting a miniature ALCM with it.
That said, if the goal is to solidify our Sindh / Punjab fronts, then we should look at working with the Turks on their ATAK-2. It's a heavyweight akin to the Mi-28 and AH-64, but with the Mi-171's engines (VK2500).
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