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[Jango]

Crippling losses: PIA loses money but continues to add workforce

By Zahid Gishkori

October 15, 2011

ISLAMABAD: Over the past three years 2,171 people have been recruited in the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), which has suffered losses worth Rs100 billion in the same time period.

The number of people hired by the incumbent government is the highest in the history of the national flag carrier, with most people, 1,179, having been employed in 2010, according to a 44-page report submitted by the defence ministry to the Senate.

Crippling losses: PIA loses money but continues to add workforce – The Express Tribune

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This is getting disastrous. May I ask what is the senate and NA doing in this regard?

And the report about PIA is made by the defence ministry? That is new.

 

[Jango]

PIA tender notice in today’s (October 16) newspaper.

Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) intends to procure a complete solution that leverages the benefits of latest asset tracking technology including passive Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) with an initial purpose of tracking airplane assets, serialized / non-serialized office assigned assets and physical assets inside the PIA facilities.

Courtesy , another forum.

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Good step, to keep in check everything, and to ensure that no 'anomaly 'occurs.

 

[Super Falcon]

well if they take one year profit of hajj flight they can buy few better planes but they are not i always fly with PIA in order to support it financially anyway any news when they buy new planes and why they dont want to buy A 340 plane it is as good as B 777

 

[Jango]

well if they take one year profit of hajj flight they can buy few better planes but they are not i always fly with PIA in order to support it financially anyway any news when they buy new planes and why they dont want to buy A 340 plane it is as good as B 777

A340 has four engines, so maybe that maybe a issue, more engines, more maintenance, a couple more 777's and retirement of these Jumbos, and we may be all good, but as I have said before, management is what really needs to change.

 

[dabong1]

Privatize PIA......Why is the taxpayer subsiding a company that is used mainly by the wealthy.
Socialism for the rich,privatization for the poor.

 

[Super Falcon]

well sir Boeing 777 is good but you must not forget it is US made and in sanction 90 percent of PIA fleet will be grounded so what than will you do A 340 are twin engine but as good as Boeing 777 and it can also fly on two engine and keep pther two engines close for emergancy use and A 340 should be used for longer routes like Toronto,Manchester,London,Newyork etc and Boeing 777 should serve to both longer and shorter routes

 

[Jango]

well sir Boeing 777 is good but you must not forget it is US made and in sanction 90 percent of PIA fleet will be grounded so what than will you do A 340 are twin engine but as good as Boeing 777 and it can also fly on two engine and keep pther two engines close for emergancy use and A 340 should be used for longer routes like Toronto,Manchester,London,Newyork etc and Boeing 777 should serve to both longer and shorter routes

I dont think that the military thing applies here as well, in the case of Boeing, and if we are sanctioned in some case, then neither Boeing or Airbus are going to give us A/C. Based on pure performance , B-777 takes it, B-777-300 ER would be good, we already have the infrastructure in place for B-777's, and have bought a new simulator for it as well. The jumbos are going to be retired, so a good replacement, or the 744 could also do it.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Jango]

ROFL at 00:28, 'yup, that is PIA, he cannot land a plane'.

 

[nomi007]

where you are living day by day
condition of Pia is going down
Pia need 40-45 new jets but not funds are available
Geo zardari

 

[Donatello]

well sir Boeing 777 is good but you must not forget it is US made and in sanction 90 percent of PIA fleet will be grounded so what than will you do A 340 are twin engine but as good as Boeing 777 and it can also fly on two engine and keep pther two engines close for emergancy use and A 340 should be used for longer routes like Toronto,Manchester,London,Newyork etc and Boeing 777 should serve to both longer and shorter routes

I beg to differ,

777-300 ER is the best plane for long haul flights (10 hours plus).........and way more comfortable. I have flown on A330, A340s and 777-200/300s and 777 are also the most comfortable planes.

No wonder Qatar, Turkish Air, Egypt Air, American Airlines, Emirates, Singapore Airlines, KLM all operate 777s on their long routes to New York JFK and beyond.

PIA has very professional pilots......people who fly 777s have been flying in PIA for 30 years!! However, PIA sucks at management and crew......they must let it go bankrupt so someone private can take care of it.......hire the pilots but kick the management out!

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Crippling losses: PIA loses money but continues to add workforce

By Zahid Gishkori

October 15, 2011

ISLAMABAD: Over the past three years 2,171 people have been recruited in the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), which has suffered losses worth Rs100 billion in the same time period.

The number of people hired by the incumbent government is the highest in the history of the national flag carrier, with most people, 1,179, having been employed in 2010, according to a 44-page report submitted by the defence ministry to the Senate.

Crippling losses: PIA loses money but continues to add workforce – The Express Tribune

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This is getting disastrous. May I ask what is the senate and NA doing in this regard?

And the report about PIA is made by the defence ministry? That is new.

The NA and Senate are playing musical chairs....as usual.

 

[Jango]

I beg to differ,

777-300 ER is the best plane for long haul flights (10 hours plus).........and way more comfortable. I have flown on A330, A340s and 777-200/300s and 777 are also the most comfortable planes.

No wonder Qatar, Turkish Air, Egypt Air, American Airlines, Emirates, Singapore Airlines, KLM all operate 777s on their long routes to New York JFK and beyond.

PIA has very professional pilots......people who fly 777s have been flying in PIA for 30 years!! However, PIA sucks at management and crew......they must let it go bankrupt so someone private can take care of it.......hire the pilots but kick the management out!

Agreed, pilots are good, the management is dud.

 

[Super Falcon]

but sir you also forgot that Etihad also bought both B 777 and A 340 A 340 is great to have in airline these two airoplanes i think will serve well to PIA for longger time

 

[Donatello]

but sir you also forgot that Etihad also bought both B 777 and A 340 A 340 is great to have in airline these two airoplanes i think will serve well to PIA for longger time

Etihad has more 777s on order than A340s.

Emirates flies 777s to New York long haul........same with Qatar...same with Turkish....Same with Egypt Air....KLM....Also Singapore Airlines (Now A380s) and PIA plus ....Air India etc....only Etihad flies A340s but even they have 777s on order...it's just a beauty of a plane..........on long routes...14 hours plus.....having a two engine plane like 777 makes more logistical sense than a 4 engine A340....777 can fly the same ETOPS specs with two engines that A340 does with 4 engines....twin engine jets are coming back big time on long haul........with the new A350s and 787s.....lets see how the competition fares.....but for now i must say 777s are the best airplanes out there!


About PIA...let it go bankrupt...why should the taxpayers be buying these 200 million dollar planes? Eh? Makes no sense at all.....plus PIA cannot afford the maintenance budget of managing big aircraft from different manufacturers and engine makers...........

 

[Jango]

Zardari Rejects Demand for PIA Bailout

ISLAMABAD, Sept 30: Expressing complete dissatisfaction over the performance of Pakistan International Airlines, President Asif Ali Zardari rejected on Friday a demand for bailout package for the national flag carrier.

At a briefing given to him, the president called for implementing a wide-ranging reforms plan to arrest decline and convert the PIA into a profitable organisation.

Zardari rejects demand for PIA bailout | ePaper | DAWN.COM

Even he is stressed out about it!!!