Pakistan buys 13 F16 from Jordan

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well the deal can only be made sweeter if we also get Norwegian F16 fleet into our Airforce another 40 won't look shabby

 

[Luftwaffe]

Well the deal can only be made sweeter if we also get Norwegian F16 fleet into our Airforce another 40 won't look shabby

If they were willing to sell you would have received it a decade ago.

Our next best bet is only a F-35s start to enter Turkish Air Force we might ask for some provided US allows it...but it is a long shot and a long way next 5 years.

 

[Thorough Pro]

The problem is that every Tom, Dick, and Harry thinks they know everything sitting behind their computer screen while the actual people who are responsible to guard our air space are idiots and didn't know what they were buying. It's the same AF that bought all the "Garbage" Mirages from across the world and is still flying them despite the fact that the original manufacturer country retired them decades ago.

Doesn't the fact that these aircraft flew non stop for over 2000 miles without a glitch proves their air worthiness.
Besides until the JFT becomes available in numbers, it's an ideal stop gap measure plus adds further advantage with the BVR capability.

I thought you were a sensible person, anyways, for the highlighted part unfortunately buying decisions are dictated by "Buying" power, not "Brain" power. There is a Punjabi saying that goes like, "Aqal bi unno ee andi aye, jidday kol paisa howay".

IMO Pakistan Airforce think are the most ******** in the history of any country.... Look @ Pakistan's Airforce decision makers from past 60 years... just only 40 F16s of such state who are IN THE STATE OF WAR ... who has most Strategic important location in this whole world... whom have 2 super Powers along with 1 soft power side by side.. Look @ the decision of buying Aircrafts from past 20 years. Look @ the decision making of buying Aircraft from last 10 years... you will be SURPRISE!!... for understanding the situation and correct decision of What you need actually.... you don't need MONEY... you need BRAIN! which unfortunately Pakistan Airforce think Tanks lacking since the birth of PAKISTAN!

 

[MastanKhan]

@araz Why do you think that not much of a mandate is on our side ? Has the populace been much seduced by the opiate of the masses ? Do the extremists offer more than we do and something far more lucrative ?

Hi,

The populace---is as always stupid---either in pakistan or in the US of A---. You have to feed them the right kind of news and information so that they can react the way you want them to. Feed them meat and they will be 'constipated'---feed them fiber and it will come out nice and smooth.

When the media is against the state---you got big big problems. Also---pakistanis have a lack of IDENTITY---they are in search of false prophets in every nook and corner---.

 

[Munir]

Hi,

When the media is against the state---you got big big problems. Also---pakistanis have a lack of IDENTITY---they are in search of false prophets in every nook and corner---.

perfectly said

 

[Rank]

The problem is that every Tom, Dick, and Harry thinks they know everything sitting behind their computer screen while the actual people who are responsible to guard our air space are idiots and didn't know what they were buying. It's the same AF that bought all the "Garbage" Mirages from across the world and is still flying them despite the fact that the original manufacturer country retired them decades ago.



I thought you were a sensible person, anyways, for the highlighted part unfortunately buying decisions are dictated by "Buying" power, not "Brain" power. There is a Punjabi saying that goes like, "Aqal bi unno ee andi aye, jidday kol paisa howay".

Paisay naal akal nahe aaindi lol look @ our hamsayaa... IMO paisa ajaye tu demaag karab hota hey... have you seen paaendu dagaaz having toyota cars with Mercedes logo ?

 

[Gryphon]

Jordan exports surplus F-16s to Pakistan

April 29, 2014

Special to WorldTribune.com

Pakistani F-16. /TuAF

LONDON — Jordan has delivered U.S.-origin fighter-jets to Pakistan.

Pakistan has received the first of 13 F-16A/B multi-role fighters from Jordan.

Pakistani sources said five aircraft arrived and were deployed by the Pakistan Air Force on April 27.

“This new fighter would increase the capacity of the Air Force,” Pakistan Air Force commander Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt said.

This marked the first delivery of F-16s by Jordan. Over the last 15 years, Jordan has developed an F-16 fleet of more than 60 aircraft, all of them surplus from NATO air forces.

Diplomatic sources said the United States, blocked by Congress, has urged other F-16 operators to export the aircraft to Pakistan. They said potential suppliers included Egypt, Jordan and Turkey.

In his address, Butt said Pakistan was forced to purchase surplus F-16s because of budget difficulties. He said the fighters, housed at the Air Force base in Sargodha, were in good condition.

Jordan exports surplus F-16s to Pakistan - World Tribune | World Tribune

 

[Manticore]

 

[Munir]

Those that think we have bought top notch planes

These received planes are indeed MLU ADF variants...

And those that talk about AMRAAM:



These were production Block 15 aircraft that were modified for the air defense interceptor role. The modifications included IFF ‘bird cutter’ antennas ahead of the windscreen and under the intake ahead of the nosegear, a redesigned vertical stabilizer base with bulges on the sides to accommodate relocated hydraulics, a modified radar to give the F-16 its first radar-guided missile capability– the AIM-7F Sparrow, and a spotlight built into the left side of the aircraft’s nose for night intercepts. An F-16B ADF was also developed, but its external appearance was identical to standard F-16Bs.

And this picture explains something about the status...

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They need to open the canopy manual. Either the battery power is gone or the canopy system is not working properly...

 

[SQ8]

Those that think we have bought top notch planes

These received planes are indeed MLU ADF variants...

And those that talk about AMRAAM:



These were production Block 15 aircraft that were modified for the air defense interceptor role. The modifications included IFF ‘bird cutter’ antennas ahead of the windscreen and under the intake ahead of the nosegear, a redesigned vertical stabilizer base with bulges on the sides to accommodate relocated hydraulics, a modified radar to give the F-16 its first radar-guided missile capability– the AIM-7F Sparrow, and a spotlight built into the left side of the aircraft’s nose for night intercepts. An F-16B ADF was also developed, but its external appearance was identical to standard F-16Bs.

On the subject of AMRAAM.. the aircraft are known as the F-16 ADF-OCU(not MLU..although essentially the OCU was a mid life update). The radar modification is NOT specific to the AIM-7 but rather provides look down shoot down capability. The ability to guide BVR system comes from Continuous wave illumination from the radar that works for both the AIM-7 and the AIM-120.

But yes, there are hardly top notch. And rather just stop gap air defence variants that are essentially only slightly better when compared to our original F-16 purchase in terms of A2A capability only.

 

[Munir]

OCU means Operating Capability Upgrades.

 

[Windjammer]

@Munir, sir, so what's the conclusion after you have pointed out all the features on the F-16s obtained from Jordan.....to me it sounds as a good induction with many extra features. ??

 

[Munir]

Windjammer saheb, I think for 5 mil USD a plane it is amazing. 3000 hours to go. A few extra spares to do only ADF when the rest can sit safely in the hangars.We know block 15 inside out. We can improve the planes. Surely a good deal. The capabilities are not impressive at the moment when you compare to anything on the India side. I do not think these planes make a chance.

If they get a new radar, new weapon capabilities, new cockpit and new PW 220E then I think we can see it as a real asset. Till then nice spares. Looking at the status these planes will need a lot of TLC from the Pakistani engineers. I mean every purza needs to be checked and surely a lot of parts need to be replaced. Someone said that flying to Pakistan was a big achievement. I fully agree. I would not risk pilots doing that. We do have talented pilots but you do remember that USAF pilots refused to fly planes from Portugese island to the USA cause it had expired main igniter? These planes have expired everything. Only the pilot is fine...

 

[Windjammer]

Apparently the pilots who brought in two more yesterday seemed very convinced with these aircraft.
The sand air has taken it's toll on the appearance , a visit to the paint shop and they would look as good as anything else out there.

As the 4th squadron will stand up by end of May, i doubt they will spend too much time in the hangars.....your thoughts please.

 

[Armstrong]

@Oscar @Munir - Gentleman, I've heard quite a lot about the work-ethics and resourcefulness of the PAF in squeezing anything from better-than-expected (as in the case of the F-6s) to something exemplary (as in the case of the Mirages) out of seemingly unfavorable odds; keeping that in mind, how much do you think can we realistically hope to better these bargain-purchased F-16s without infringing upon any copyright issues ?