Pakistan Army's VT-4 Main Battle Tank | Updates & Discussions

[Bratva]

Thai VT-4 AutoLoader

 

[muhammadali233]

Thai VT-4 AutoLoader

that is a t-72 i guess.

 

[Dazzler]

that is a t-72 i guess.

T-72, T-90, Al khalid, Type-99 all versions, VT-4, Type-85/ 96 all versions, use the same AZ type autoloader.

The T-64, T-80, T-84 and Oplot all utilise MZ type autloader.

 

[帅的一匹]

T-72, T-90, Al khalid, Type-99 all versions, VT-4, Type-85/ 96 all versions, use the same AZ type autoloader.

The T-64, T-80, T-84 and Oplot all utilise MZ type autloader.

What's the pro and cons of auto loader?

 

[muhammadali233]

T-72, T-90, Al khalid, Type-99 all versions, VT-4, Type-85/ 96 all versions, use the same AZ type autoloader.

The T-64, T-80, T-84 and Oplot all utilise MZ type autloader.

MZ looks better,the propellent and projectile are loaded at the same time.

What's the pro and cons of auto loader?

Con added complexity.
Pro 3 person crew

 

[Yukihime]

T-80 loader

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M1A2 Abrams human all mighty loader

 

[帅的一匹]

MZ looks better,the propellent and projectile are loaded at the same time.

Con added complexity.
Pro 3 person crew

And auto-loader will have higher rate of fire.

 

[Dazzler]

What's the pro and cons of auto loader?

The biggest is that it saves you one crew member, which in turn helps avoid putting additional armor on the vehicle to protect that member. Early versions of both autloader types had several problems. They were prone to jamming and were complex to operate. Later versions were much safer and easy to operate, not to mention they had fewer moving parts unlike their early cousins.

Both China and Pakistan have modified the AZ autoloader as per their needs. In fact, Chinese made 30 improvements to the original design. The only downside of using these is that you end up developing two piece ammo, which reduces the length of APFSDS rod and hence reduces overall armor penetration power.

However, the recent updates involved developing slightly larger tray which allowed APFSDS reaching 740mm which helped increased their armor penetration values.

MZ looks better,the propellent and projectile are loaded at the same time.

Con added complexity.
Pro 3 person crew

MZ is also slightly faster but more complicated. it is essentially a robotic arm feeding the ammo to the gun. The AZ had a better safety and operational record of the two.

 

[Yukihime]

What's the pro and cons of auto loader?

T-80/oplot loader uses two piece ammo too, so they share the same problem as T-72 loader, rather than the single piece NATO tank ammunition.

Difference between T-72/T-90 and T-64/T-80 loaders is:
T-72/T-90 loaders have all ammunition lying landscape, payload and gun powder are pushed separately into the main gun:

T-64/T-80 loaders have the gun powder part of the round vertically standing around the turret. Payload and gun powder are 'assembled' together in the loader before got pushed into the gun.

T-72/T-90 auto-loader uses mechanic system for lifting the ammo up to where the main gun is, while the T-64/T-80 uses hydraulic propelled system which contributed a drastically higher rate of malfunction at early period, such like bringing along the gunner's clothes into the main gun...
Moreover, because the rear part of the round is 'standing' in the turret, T64/T-80 loaders are also accused for higher possibility of coefficient when hit by enemy fire.

When introducing auto-loader into indigenous tanks in 1980s, PLAF faced the challenging task of enhancing the loader's reliability.
Thanks to the advantage on electromechanics and system integration fields, one of the most significant change made by chinese technicians was a whole set of electric propelled & controlled system which replaced the out-dated mechanics that was used in the T-72 loader.
This was later proved to have improved the loader's reliability to a whole new level, and was put into use in the later type 96 and type 99 (early model).
The new loader gave type 99 a fire rate of 8r/min with reliability that had surpassed any western auto loader.

The following is just estimation:
Since the Al khalid uses the chinese 125mm caliber gun system, the same electric ammo lifting system should have also come with it.

 

[Dazzler]

 

[SQ8]

The following is just estimation:
Since the Al khalid uses the chinese 125mm caliber gun system, the same electric ammo lifting system should have also come with it.

AK loader electronics are local
https://carepvtltd.com/Electronics/cms.php?id=Solid_State_Autoloader

 

[ziaulislam]

we are evaluating? we still not capable enough to have our own tank!
i am just surprised that both Al khalid and JF 17 planed in 90's, and what happen after that?

Sanctions fell off
Lol
We never learn

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We are doing feasability study not planning

 

[Yukihime]

AK loader electronics are local
https://carepvtltd.com/Electronics/cms.php?id=Solid_State_Autoloader

Thanks as this, to some extent, proved the estimation that the chinese loader did come with the MBT-2000.
In other word, PA did acquire the whole loader along with other gun accessories for practical use and whatever needed in localisation.

Quite an achievement for the manufacturer to come out with these through cooperation with its various partners.
It makes people think it is PA's opponent who should learn from how to bring out a solid product like this.

 

[CrusherChamp]

Sanctions fell off
Lol
We never learn

HahahH