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Import the cutting-edge M1A2 SEP V3. Its engine is robust and equipped with a (self-cleaning) filter system to counter sand ingestion.So which bloody tank PA will be using in Cholistan Desert if everything is Failing??
Thanks for your insight.At the time of the Zia’s death, I had quite a few friends and relations serving in the Pak Army. I was sitting next to Lt Col in the Ordinance during a wedding. I asked his opinion about Zia’s crash and testing of M1 tank. He did not think that these two events were related and commented that apparently Abrams’ tank could not cope with the Cholistan desert sand.
It was an off the cuff remark and there is no way of telling if it was correct. However I came across the similar sand problem during Desert storm again.
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Desert is impediment to U.S. tanks, aircraft
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2002
By By Rachel Davis
Morris News Service
SAVANNAH, Ga. -- The U.S. military with its tanks and aircraft has the capability to dominate in any full-scale military action. But one fundamental problem consistently throws a kink in desert operations.
Toppling winds and suffocating heat also are a proven threat to American troops and their equipment. And such inclement weather could be a hang-up for any repeat showdown in the sand.
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http://cjonline.com/stories/121902/usw_desert.shtml#.Wlc9Jqhl-Uk
It is therefore probable that M1 tank units provided by the US for testing did not perform as well as T-59 in the Pakistani desert environment in 1988.
@DESERT FIGHTER
We can discuss this matter in another thread. I will create it and invite you there.
However, bear in mind that Soviet T-72 demonstrated similar shortcomings in Chechnya. Easy to critic Iraqi productions when these Tanks were nowhere as good as M1A1.
Although PA will remain at numerical disadvantage but AZ is also a modern MBT with all the upgrades done on it and with 500+ AZ in numbers, complemented by 700 (AK+T-80), the equation is not far out. T-85 III is also underestimated.
That's why FC has been made Armored-capable now
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i think not. china is not that eager. we can sell from VT1 to VT4, cheap one to the expensive one. PA just buy the affordable, effective ones. as Taihland already buy VT4 rather than oplot,it is proven a competable product
In the scheme of things , wt u think does not really matter.
Wt I am telling u is wts the actual ground reality n wts traspiring on the ground !
first of all we must not think that PA is not interested in VT-4 retrial itself speak about the seriousness of Pakistan with this tank but before to have favourable decision for VT-4 Pakistan Army must deiced about the future of AK-I & AK-II.For what reason is the PA not keen on buying the VT-4 at this time; is it the cost? any limitation in capabilities? or something else?
Both T-80 and T-72 actually.The soviets suffered T-80 losses in Grozny not T-72.
That would be an unnecessary cost and complication. PA would do just fine with Al-Khalid and VT4(or OPLOT-M depending on which one gets selected) as the high/low mix. Having two tanks(along with all the support/maintenance facilities etc) is much simpler than having three. If OPLOT-M is selected instead of VT4, perhaps the VT4 tech can still find its way into upgraded Al-Khalid tanks. Last I heard they r working on Al-Khalid II.Domestic CH1000 integrated engine compartment, can provide both 1300HP and 1500HP. For Pakistan, yes!
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Man, Pakistan don't have to ditch Oplot M for VT4. You can make it both. Or using VT4 tech to improve AK tanks.
Thailand royal army had both Oplot M and VT4.
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I agree. If Pak goes for a Chinese tank to fulfill the role of "Al-Haider", PA should go for T99 and not VT4. Since PLA would be inducting T99 in huge numbers, it might turn out to be an economically sound option. Not to mention that it would increase interoperability between China/Pak army.If PA decides to ditch Ukraine for Chinese MBT ( Al-Haider ) project, i will say go fot T-99A if available .. Is China manufacturing any 1500 HP engine for MBT ? if yes which one ? and is it available for export ?
I am not sure what your problem is but I have access to genuine reports and accounts to assess the performance of M1A1 Abrams MBT - not hearsay and stories. And this would be my final response to you in regards to this matter.Thank you mate, set aside facts/truth/reality but move on "sense", which could be true or false. I have been wasting my time all along. Adios.
Some people will never learn.@Signalian you are wasting your time with this Legendary guy .. i tried to debate with him and eventually i had to put him in the Ignore list everything to him is a D measuring Contest between his mighty America and rest of the world .. for him an American or its technology/system can't failed. . leave him alone this guy needs help
Yeah, you are right, i had a discussion with him 2 years ago on same topic, this time i got offended when he dissed a Lt Col of Pakistan Army, while he himself is nothing, a nobody, someone who would never even appear on TV in his lifetime, an online member whom the world doesn't even know while he is accusing a military officer for being uninformed and lacking education, whereas that military officer has years of experience and has been brought on the TV program to spread knowledge. After i tried to put some sense into him, he started to talk more against Military Officers. Its better to discuss things with someone someone who has knowledge, unlike him.@Signalian you are wasting your time with this Legendary guy .. i tried to debate with him and eventually i had to put him in the Ignore list everything to him is a D measuring Contest between his mighty America and rest of the world .. for him an American or its technology/system can't failed. . leave him alone this guy needs help
FACT # 1: Pakistani Army does not use M1A1 Abrams MBTYeah, you are right, i had a discussion with him 2 years ago on same topic, this time i got offended when he dissed a Lt Col of Pakistan Army, while he himself is nothing, a nobody, someone who would never even appear on TV in his lifetime, an online member whom the world doesn't even know while he is accusing a military officer for being uninformed and lacking education, whereas that military officer has years of experience and has been brought on the TV program to spread knowledge. After i tried to put some sense into him, he started to talk more against Military Officers. Its better to discuss things with someone someone who has knowledge, unlike him.
The funniest part is when he said he goes for "what makes sense to him", i laughed my head off at his level of intellect and then i put him on ignore list.