Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[cabatli_53]

Acc to last introduction video revealed by TEI, TS-1500 turboshaft engine produces 1660hp power.

 

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[Armchair]

Time given to Turkey for new engines is about to expire...

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Time given to Turkey for new engines is about to expire...

If you're referring to the 1-year window, it wasn't for Turkey to secure, integrate, and certify new engines, but to figure out the CTS800 issue. If not, the PAA will (if it hasn't already) get Z-10Es. However, I do think the T129 will become a factor again once the TS1400 comes alive.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Acc to last introduction video revealed by TEI, TS-1500 turboshaft engine produces 1660hp power.

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I hope they don't drop the T129 family in favour of ATAK-2/T629. I would really love to see a 7+ ton variant based on this design -- something really close to the AH-1Z.

 

[kursed]

WASHINGTON — Four key members of Congress, either individually or collectively, have quietly frozen all major U.S. arms sales to Turkey for nearly two years in a move to pressure Ankara to abandon its Russian-built S-400 air defense system, Defense News has learned.

The legislative action, which has not been previously reported, is another sign of the deeply fractured relationship between the two NATO allies, a disruption that has already led to Turkey’s expulsion from the F-35 joint strike fighter program.

While it is unclear exactly how many potential sales have been held back, at least two significant deals are in limbo: a follow-on contract for F-16 structural upgrades and export licenses for U.S.-made engines that Turkey needs to complete a $1.5 billion sale of attack helicopters to Pakistan. Historically, the United States is the largest exporter of weapons to Turkey.

https://www.defensenews.com/breakin...us-arms-sales-to-turkey-for-nearly-two-years/

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

WASHINGTON — Four key members of Congress, either individually or collectively, have quietly frozen all major U.S. arms sales to Turkey for nearly two years in a move to pressure Ankara to abandon its Russian-built S-400 air defense system, Defense News has learned.

The legislative action, which has not been previously reported, is another sign of the deeply fractured relationship between the two NATO allies, a disruption that has already led to Turkey’s expulsion from the F-35 joint strike fighter program.

While it is unclear exactly how many potential sales have been held back, at least two significant deals are in limbo: a follow-on contract for F-16 structural upgrades and export licenses for U.S.-made engines that Turkey needs to complete a $1.5 billion sale of attack helicopters to Pakistan. Historically, the United States is the largest exporter of weapons to Turkey.

https://www.defensenews.com/breakin...us-arms-sales-to-turkey-for-nearly-two-years/

Well, welcome to the club Turkey

 

[Zapper]

Time given to Turkey for new engines is about to expire...

Turkey should've approached some European firm for engines rather than relying on the US. We use the HAL/Turbomeca Shakti-1H1 derived from Safran Ardiden turboshaft engines on our LCH

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Turkey should've approached some European firm for engines rather than relying on the US. We use the HAL/Turbomeca Shakti-1H1 derived from Safran Ardiden turboshaft engines on our LCH

Turkey's got issues with France (and vice-versa).

I guess the idea of Pakistan buying the CTS800 separately from the US and then assembling the T129 via CKDs at PAC didn't pan out (though I imagine they didn't even explore it as a possibility).

 

[Zapper]

Turkey's got issues with France (and vice-versa).

I guess the idea of Pakistan buying the CTS800 separately from the US and then assembling the T129 via CKDs at PAC didn't pan out (though I imagine they didn't even explore it as a possibility).

CTS800 still has Honeywell's involvement which is American. As long as you have Honeywell or P&W in the mix, US would block it. Turkey's issues with France and India's long standing relation with Safran also wouldn't let you get a French engine. Another option is to get something outta UK's Rolls Royce independent of American involvement or work out something with China for an engine where China's engine and Turkey's fuselage are integrated at PAC...except that Turkey & China aren't best buddies either so you'd have a bit of convincing to do and China will pressurize y'all to go with the Z-10

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

CTS800 still has Honeywell's involvement which is American. As long as you have Honeywell or P&W in the mix, US would block it. Turkey's issues with France and India's long standing relation with Safran also wouldn't let you get a French engine. Another option is to get something outta UK's Rolls Royce independent of American involvement or work out something with China for an engine where China's engine and Turkey's fuselage are integrated at PAC...except that Turkey & China aren't best buddies either so you'd have a bit of convincing to do and China will convince y'all to go with the Z-10

The Z-10 was not chosen because Chinese engines doesn't enough for high altitude.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

The Z-10 was not chosen because Chinese engines doesn't enough for high altitude.

it had other problems as well i think @Dazzler

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

WASHINGTON — Four key members of Congress, either individually or collectively, have quietly frozen all major U.S. arms sales to Turkey for nearly two years in a move to pressure Ankara to abandon its Russian-built S-400 air defense system, Defense News has learned.

The legislative action, which has not been previously reported, is another sign of the deeply fractured relationship between the two NATO allies, a disruption that has already led to Turkey’s expulsion from the F-35 joint strike fighter program.

While it is unclear exactly how many potential sales have been held back, at least two significant deals are in limbo: a follow-on contract for F-16 structural upgrades and export licenses for U.S.-made engines that Turkey needs to complete a $1.5 billion sale of attack helicopters to Pakistan. Historically, the United States is the largest exporter of weapons to Turkey.

https://www.defensenews.com/breakin...us-arms-sales-to-turkey-for-nearly-two-years/

The more sanctions the better for Turkey....

You can't put pressure on the Turkish folks!! With 70 cents in the treasury they went for the liberation of the Northern Cyprus via amphibious assault...

As for S-400, 70 years of the Russian unique specialty has been channeled to Turkey in 7 months, which will make her own SIPER AD system even more deadly...

All US/Western finished defense products are like the Trojan Horses, and the worst part is you need to buy them and finance their maintenance....

Hodri Meydan....

 

[python-000]

it had other problems as well i think @Dazzler

But i think China already coverup all the weaknisses & flaws in its new version
Z-10ME by the requirement of PAA...

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Pakistan, Turkey and US have made some positive progress over T129 helicopter sale. DGISPR