Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[Arsalan]

I still think Z-10 have least chance. T-129 and dual seater MI-28 have more chances.

You think or your sources suggest that?

 

[Zarvan]

You think or your sources suggest that?

No this is my thinking I don't have any source on this one. Personally I would prefer MI-28

 

[Arsalan]

No this is my thinking I don't have any source on this one. Personally I would prefer MI-28

Shukar ha you are not stating your views and thoughts as facts for once.

Oky i respect what you personal choice is and yes you are free to express that as well. How PA wont listen to that is any other story.

Anyway, why would you prefer Mi28? Any specific reason?

 

[Zarvan]

Shukar ha you are not stating your views and thoughts as facts for once.

Oky i respect what you personal choice is and yes you are free to express that as well. How PA wont listen to that is any other story.

Anyway, why would you prefer Mi28? Any specific reason?

The Radar system specially that one which can be placed on top similar to Apache and also the firepower

 

[Arsalan]

The Radar system specially that one which can be placed on top similar to Apache and also the firepower

What about the Radar system? Just that it can be placed on top is the reason? Or there are some specs that interest you? I have also mentioned how i do hope Z10 eventually gets MMW radar in PAA so what else you like in the Mi28 radar?
Also can you please highlight the firepower difference?

In the end, the most important question, the advantages that you may mention in your reply, have you considered that they are worth so much more that we will opt for a new supplier over a trusted one? Specially considering its current alliances!!
I hope you will share these advantages with us and also comment on how they are worth the risk.

Let us get involved in a constructive and informative debate here.

 

[Dazzler]

I still think Z-10 have least chance. T-129 and dual seater MI-28 have more chances.

You are entitled to your opinion. Who knows, t

The Radar system specially that one which can be placed on top similar to Apache and also the firepower

Z-19 has it, so does the Z-10

 

[Zarvan]

What about the Radar system? Just that it can be placed on top is the reason? Or there are some specs that interest you? I have also mentioned how i do hope Z10 eventually gets MMW radar in PAA so what else you like in the Mi28 radar?
Also can you please highlight the firepower difference?

In the end, the most important question, the advantages that you may mention in your reply, have you considered that they are worth so much more that we will opt for a new supplier over a trusted one? Specially considering its current alliances!!
I hope you will share these advantages with us and also comment on how they are worth the risk.

Let us get involved in a constructive and informative debate here.

Even from my source I give news I hardly have clue about weapons. I am in learning process as for radar I am talking about the above thing what ever that is. Members tell me that this really high tech thing and I have no clue but what I have heard is that it pretty much brings MI-28 to Apache level. As for fire power well I just did some research sorry I was wrong it also can carry maximum 16 Anti Tank Missiles. By the way with current engine can Z-10 can carry 16 Anti Tank Missiles or not and How about T-129 ???

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

There's always the Denel Aviation Rooivalk.

Remember, the Rooivalk uses the same engines as the Puma. In fact, Airbus Helicopters (the makers of the Puma today) signed an MoU with Denel to collaborate on the continued development of the Rooivalk.

Much of the R&D cost has been written down, and what's left is the amount necessary to conduct upgrades (namely in terms of weapons and electronics - all available off-the-shelf).

The country to partner with Denel and serve as the launch customer will get transfer-of-technology and co-production rights.

http://quwa.org/2016/06/19/profile-denel-rooivalk/

 

[cabatli_53]

T-129 has several problems of its own. In recent tests, those problems surfaced again. Even if Turks rectify them, there is the engine and other components that are prone to sanctions. The whole idea is to induct a platform that is sanction proof and provide adequate performance when needed.

Unfortunately, the ATAK fails in at least one of these. And, it is more expensive than both the Z-10 as well as MI-28 Night Havoc.

Which type of problems surfaced in trials ? Can you explain them !

 

[monitor]

I still think Z-10 have least chance. T-129 and dual seater MI-28 have more chances.

Russia already decline to sell SU-35 to Pakistan so its doubtful whither they will allow sell Apache class attack helicopter to Pakistan against India . though they have sold MI-35 which was different class .

 

[Dazzler]

Which type of problems surfaced in trials ? Can you explain them !

While making sharp turns at certain angles, the airframe shakes. The engine itself is a big no no. No fly by wire flight control. The price for the performance it has shown in trials is not justified.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Russia already decline to sell SU-35 to Pakistan so its doubtful whither they will allow sell Apache class attack helicopter to Pakistan against India . though they have sold MI-35 which was different class .

you are right Mi-35 is a different class and suits very well with the anti narcotics anti insurgency operations .. altough India wont like that Pakistani state gets anything at all to combat its enemies but Russians wont have as much objection as their top tier helicopter deal which will only happen if the relations take a dramatic upward turn between Pakistan and Russia...

While making sharp turns at certain angles, the airframe shakes. The engine itself is a big no no. No fly by wire flight control. The price for the performance it has shown in trials is not justified.

I agree with the Engine issue although our Turkish friends are requesting us to trust their grip on the issue.

but this airframe issue is a surprise news for me.

hence my question ... what certain angles? that helicopter makes sleek maneuvers that are jaw dropping and extraordinary ..which look effortless and graceful .. the shaking of air frame wont have escaped the hours high definition footage .. this helicpter belongs to an established and proven Augusta pedigree.

 

[Dazzler]

you are right Mi-35 is a different class and suits very well with the anti narcotics anti insurgency operations .. altough India wont like that Pakistani state gets anything at all to combat its enemies but Russians wont have as much objection as their top tier helicopter deal which will only happen if the relations take a dramatic upward turn between Pakistan and Russia...



I agree with the Engine issue although our Turkish friends are requesting us to trust their grip on the issue.

but this airframe issue is a surprise news for me.

hence my question ... what certain angles? that helicopter makes sleek maneuvers that are jaw dropping and extraordinary ..which look effortless and graceful .. the shaking of air frame wont have escaped the hours high definition footage .. this helicpter belongs to an established and proven Augusta pedigree.

The pilot felt jitters while making loops, and swift turns to the left. The A129 suffered a similar problem early in its life. Though not noticeable from outside, hence not captured in the video. The z-10 being a FBW chopper has excellent stability in most flight regimes.

 

[ali_raza]

The pilot felt jitters while making loops, and swift turns to the left. The A129 suffered a similar problem early in its life. Though not noticeable from outside, hence not captured in the video. The z-10 being a FBW chopper has excellent stability in most flight regimes.

cant it be addressed.the shaking issue?or its a design flaw

 

[Zarvan]

The pilot felt jitters while making loops, and swift turns to the left. The A129 suffered a similar problem early in its life. Though not noticeable from outside, hence not captured in the video. The z-10 being a FBW chopper has excellent stability in most flight regimes.

What I heard is only thing Pakistan didn't liked was Z-10 engine. Is it true I mean is engine only issue with Z-10 ?