Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[Raja Porus]

The CH-5 with uprated turbo shaft can have payload up to 1 tons. 16 ATGM. Not to mention unmatch attitude and loiter time which attack helo can't matched.

16 missiles doesn't mean 16 atgms. For example, predator(MQ9A) has 7 hard points but can carry only 4 hell fire missiles. Also drones are not forclose air support. All the the targets can't be engaged with missiles only especially atgms,most often especially when supporting/engaging infantry unguided rockets and machine guns are more desirable

 

[Zarvan]

Mention the posters who still expecting PAF will get Block 70 near future

It's USA Turkey clash not Pakistan USA clash. F 16 is a different case.

 

[Kingslayerr]

It's USA Turkey clash not Pakistan USA clash. F 16 is a different case.

Its not brother. Our AH1z are also not delivered so its also about pak. Otherwise we would be operating our vipers.

 

[MMM-E]

PAKISTAN to win future or not ..... wait for a few years and win the future


Turkey will be 3rd country in the world that develop 10 tons class heavy Attack Helicopter after The US ( AH-64E ) and Russia ( KA-52 )

Turkish TEI TS-1400 turboshaft Engine will be ready in a few years even its superior to American LTECH CTS800



TEI TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine

TEI-TS1400 engine was designed for the T625 multirole Helicopter and T629 Attack Helicopter


T-129 Attack Helicopter used LHTEC CTS800 turboshaft engines that have 1,373 shaft horsepower each, created jointly by Rolls-Royce and Honeywell

İndigenous engine TEI TS-1400 which produces 1,660 horsepower

 

[Trango Towers]

Pakistan still interested in T129 acquisition

Pakistan's long-running attempt to acquire Turkish Aerospace T129 attack helicopters may finally be nearing a conclusion. Speaking at Defence IQ's virtual International Military Helicopter 2021 conference on 24 February, an unnamed Pakistani army official said that the Turkish-built type was...

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Pakistan still interested in T129 acquisition

Pakistan’s long-running attempt to acquire Turkish Aerospace T129 attack helicopters may finally be nearing a conclusion.

Speaking at Defence IQ’s virtual International Military Helicopter 2021 conference today, an unnamed Pakistani army official said that the Turkish-built type was “still very much under consideration”.

Source: Turkish Aerospace

Islamabad initially ordered 30 examples in 2018
Islamabad had in 2018 ordered 30 Turkish Aerospace T129s worth $1.5 billion, but the sale foundered on export sanctions related to the US-built LHTEC T800 engines which power the type.


“The contract is a bit delayed because of certain third-party approvals,” says the army official. “But the OEM is hopeful of getting over the political hurdles and providing that third-party certification.

“We are still looking forward to accomplishing the contract with the Turkish government.”

Pakistan intends to replace its fleet of 48 elderly Bell AH-1Fs with the new platform. It had previously struck a deal under the USA’s Foreign Military Sales process to purchase 12 Bell AH-1Zs but that deal was also put on hold due to US political concerns.

At the same conference last year it was suggested that Pakistan would consider Chinese alternatives if the T129 order could not be finalised.

Forget america period. Its our enemy. The sooner we accept this the better

 

[MMM-E]

brother, UCAVs can't be carry much of the payloads of Cobra and Apache, and the also have short ranged air to surface weapons

The CH-5 with uprated turbo shaft can have payload up to 1 tons. 16 ATGM. Not to mention unmatch attitude and loiter time which attack helo can't matched.

We prefer UCAVs instead of Attack Helicopters to destroy enemy Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS


Turkish UCAVs for Pakistan to hunt İndian Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , even Air Defense Systems

AKSUNGUR UCAV with a 750 kg payload ... AKINCI UCAV with a 1350 kg payload ( 16 x UMTAS anti Tank Missiles = 600 kg )

also KUZGUN joint strike ammunition to hit even moving targets

• Modular Warhead (Fragmantation, Termobaric, General Purpose, Armour Piercing)
• GPS, INS Guidance
• Low operation cost due to modular warhead option
• Independent Guidance Options (INS , LAB, A-INS , IR seeker ,Data Link, mmW Radar)
• Weight : 100 kg
• Warhead : 25-60 kg
• Range : 74-110 km
• 

 

[That Guy]

Forget america period. Its our enemy. The sooner we accept this the better

More evidence that nuance is dead.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

We prefer UCAVs instead of Attack Helicopters to destroy enemy Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS


Turkish UCAVs for Pakistan to hunt İndian Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , even Air Defense Systems

AKSUNGUR UCAV with a 750 kg payload ... AKINCI UCAV with a 1350 kg payload ( 16 x UMTAS anti Tank Missiles = 600 kg )

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also KUZGUN joint strike ammunition to hit even moving taargets

• Modular Warhead (Fragmantation, Termobaric, General Purpose, Armour Piercing)
• GPS, INS Guidance
• Low operation cost due to modular warhead option
• Independent Guidance Options (INS , LAB, A-INS , IR seeker ,Data Link, mmW Radar)
• Weight : 100 kg
• Warhead : 25-60 kg
• Range : 74-110 km
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Eeasy targets for enemy defense systems they aren't carry much survival equipment like ECM/ EW/IR defense systems etc etc

 

[MMM-E]

Eeasy targets for enemy defense systems they aren't carry much survival equipment like ECM/ EW/IR defense systems etc etc

Turkish UCAVs have great ECM/ EW capabilities .....

and even Russian Air Defense Systems PANTSIR , BUK , TOR could not stop Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 UCAVs in Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan

Now AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs to carry more lethal weapons like 75-110 km KUZGUN joint strike ammunition , 120 km MRASHM and 280 km SOM Cruise Missiles easly to destroy Air Defense Systems such as PANTSIR , BUK , TOR , S300 , PATRIOT , etc


Turkish Israeli Drones destroyed 6 S300 and 12 OSA Air Defense Systems in Azerbaijan



Attack Helicopters are easy targets for enemy MANPADS
on the other hand , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs have altitude of 40.000 feet

 

[Polestar 2]

16 missiles doesn't mean 16 atgms. For example, predator(MQ9A) has 7 hard points but can carry only 4 hell fire missiles. Also drones are not forclose air support. All the the targets can't be engaged with missiles only especially atgms,most often especially when supporting/engaging infantry unguided rockets and machine guns are more desirable

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[Zarvan]

Pakistan and Turkey should join hands and take help from Ukraine in developing all sorts of engines. We would be biggest fools if we don't learn from this. Ukraine is best source for us to get engine technology. We need to go for it. Plus if we are going to buy Z-10 ME then it should be at least 60 of those beasts not just 30. It's time we focus on getting large numbers of attack helicopters and UAV.

@fatman17 @Sulman Badshah @Tipu7 @The Eagle @Hakikat ve Hikmet

 

[The Eagle]

Pakistan and Turkey should join hands and take help from Ukraine in developing all sorts of engines. We would be biggest fools if we don't learn from this. Ukraine is best source for us to get engine technology. We need to go for it. Plus if we are going to buy Z-10 ME then it should be at least 60 of those beasts not just 30. It's time we focus on getting large numbers of attack helicopters and UAV.

@fatman17 @Sulman Badshah @Tipu7 @The Eagle @Hakikat ve Hikmet

Why that much beside other assets in inventory and the planned ATAK-2 (may be)? 60 of Z-10ME, 60 of ATAK-2 possibly + the inventory= I see a maintenance burden as compare to their utilization.

 

[Zarvan]

Why that much beside other assets in inventory and the planned ATAK-2 (may be)? 60 of Z-10ME, 60 of ATAK-2 possibly + the inventory= I see a maintenance burden as compare to their utilization.

We can't afford to wait for ATAK 2. We need a attack helicopter soon.

 

[Tipu7]

All this noise is based upon poorly translated media statement.
T-129 deal still stands.

Pakistan and Turkey should join hands and take help from Ukraine in developing all sorts of engines. We would be biggest fools if we don't learn from this. Ukraine is best source for us to get engine technology. We need to go for it. Plus if we are going to buy Z-10 ME then it should be at least 60 of those beasts not just 30. It's time we focus on getting large numbers of attack helicopters and UAV.

@fatman17 @Sulman Badshah @Tipu7 @The Eagle @Hakikat ve Hikmet

Chinese have offered us a comprehensive package comprising of attack and utility helicopters.
If T-129 deal will fail, and urgency is there, then Pakistan might opt for Chinese options.

IMHO, joining Turkey in T-625 and T-629 projects for domestic production is a better choice. It's a delayed option, but better result oriented. Instead of raising a Zoo of Gunships all procured off the shelf, emphasis should be given to home grown product.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Turkish UCAVs have great ECM/ EW capabilities .....

and even Russian Air Defense Systems PANTSIR , BUK , TOR could not stop Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 UCAVs in Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan

Now AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs to carry more lethal weapons like 75-110 km KUZGUN joint strike ammunition , 120 km MRASHM and 280 km SOM Cruise Missiles easly to destroy Air Defense Systems such as PANTSIR , BUK , TOR , S300 , PATRIOT , etc


Turkish Israeli Drones destroyed 6 S300 and 12 OSA Air Defense Systems in Azerbaijan



Attack Helicopters are easy targets for enemy MANPADS
on the other hand , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs have altitude of 40.000 feet

What ECM systems these Turkish UCAVs has, please specify me??? and these SAMs you refer in your post haven't any modern version of PANTSIR/BUK/TOR and mostly outdated SAM systems (old version) in these wars

our enemy is getting state of art S-400 which have the capability to intercept all kind of targets From Ballistic Missiles to UCAVs/Precision munitions

And Attack Helicopters are also have IR suppressor systems for the defense against MANPADS ( all MANPADS IS IR GUIDED) and UCAVs have lack this feature