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[Aamir Hussain]

If I may add to Niaz's list; US is the largest importer of our textile exports and one of the top five trading partner and the largest Aid doner!!!

 

[thinkingcap81]

It should not be too difficult to increase and sustain a growth rate of 5 - 5.5%%. For a region like South Asia this much should happen almost even without wishing for anything to happen. The bar at present has sunk so low.

It is silly that growth in Pasistan is not really happening right now.

 

[prabhakar]

If I may add to Niaz's list; US is the largest importer of our textile exports and one of the top five trading partner and the largest Aid doner!!!

I may add one more thing..US is one of the few countries against whom you have trade surplus.

 

[Farooqi]

However, since 9/11, the role of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) was further accelerated to protect the country from external and internal threats, while fighting war against terrorism.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

However, since 9/11, the role of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) was further accelerated to protect the country from external and internal threats, while fighting war against terrorism.

not the easiest of jobs!! but then again, they are up to task and always ready for challenge

 

[VCheng]

its all coming back to 'normal' - no other choice! or is there!?

Well, the next post answers the question very well, doesn't it?

It all eventually boils down to economy. Pakistan GDP is about $175-billion. Indian GDP is on the other hand is $1.73-trillion that is about 10 times that of Pakistan. Pakistan FE reserves stand at about $17-billion versus India’s at $320-billion. Indian economy is forecast to grow at about 8 to 9% whereas Pakistan’s at about 3.5%.

Pakistan cannot live without US & West Europe aid whereas US and European goods need India’s vast market. Therefore no matter how much we hate the US, we need US good will to survive. Of course if one is happy with a dark age Emirate with Mulla Omer at its head, no worries. We can do without US & Europe and live happily in squalor hoping to get better things in after life.

Has anyone ever stopped to think, what would happen in after life if Islam as practiced by Mulla Omer is a distortion of what our holy Prophet (PBUH) actually preached?

Now, if more people can actually comprehend the importance of this post, we would have less headaches all around.

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

Now, if more people can actually comprehend the importance of this post, we would have less headaches all around.

But then traffic on defence.pk will fall to 25% of what it is now.. Now, that wont be nice..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Cheng -- the nature of your discord with some of these forumers is more on political grounds....not religious/spiritual ones


you probably thought that ''living with US/west'' entails being aid-dependent. Well, if thats the case then Pakistan doesnt need them. We do need trade relations, we should be in good books in the interests of getting concessions etc. Doesnt mean that the sleaze-bags in Islamabad who insist on Pakistan remaining on so-called ''aid'' (which isnt even aid) should continue to operate as they always do


as for head-aches...well this is a forum, so who ever gets head-ache over talks on a forum -well perhaps he should find other things to do in his spare time

 

[VCheng]

But then traffic on defence.pk will fall to 25% of what it is now.. Now, that wont be nice..

There should be no worries in that regard, given the abysmal levels of comprehension as amply demonstrated all over PDF!

 

[VCheng]

Cheng -- the nature of your discord with some of these forumers is more on political grounds....not religious/spiritual ones

I have no discords Sir. I am perfectly at peace with everyone here.

you probably thought that ''living with US/west'' entails being aid-dependent. Well, if thats the case then Pakistan doesnt need them. We do need trade relations, we should be in good books in the interests of getting concessions etc. Doesnt mean that the sleaze-bags in Islamabad who insist on Pakistan remaining on so-called ''aid'' (which isnt even aid) should continue to operate as they always do

Well, trade relations and being in good books takes a combination of factors, with sustained effort, no matter what type of sleazebags control Islamabad.

as for head-aches...well this is a forum, so who ever gets head-ache over talks on a forum -well perhaps he should find other things to do in his spare time

The headaches I refer to are much bigger than what happens on PDF, I can assure you.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

The bottom line is that our leaders over the years do not want to tell the truth about our real issues and dependencies to the masses. This is becoming a bigger stumbling block once we started on the Jihadi path. How can we tell the masses that the truth is that to survive we would need the help of those whose flags are burnt daily on the streets of Pakistan?

We do not want to come out clean and tell the masses that the 65' war was started by us and it was not a let down by US. We do not want to divulge the truth about 71'. Or the fact that the Chinese balked on the request by US, for moving their troops to the border with India in order to ease out the pressure on us in E. Pakistan. We do not tell that the 7th Fleet never sailed to bail out Pakistan but to ensure a respectable withdrawal of bulk of Pakistani troops once India agreed to it. Indians never did, they were riding the crest of the Russian wave.

Our leaders never tell that Afghanistan was not just a Vietnam for Russia but a payback for Bangladesh and their role in helping India dismember Pakistan--from Pakistan with Love!!! Well if in the process we chopped off our limbs and still continue to do so as long as there are parts attached to body, Pakistan!

Our leaders never tell that our biggest trading rivals are China, India, and Bangladesh. And our biggest trading friends are the ones we want to send to hell.

Our leaders never tell that Kargil was a misadventure of colossal stupidity and US moved in to avert a war that most probably, could have cost Pakistan a lot more lives than it lost up to the end of Kargil.

Our leaders do not tell the masses that why our top dogs go to KSA to get permissions to do this and that-- but we do hear about all the deals that US brokered on the side lines.

Is the West a favorite bashing bag for our leaders? A convenient scapegoat? Our leaders behave like typical banana republic leaders who keep their masses mis-informed and misguided to keep themselves in power and in the run for the next chance they get to come to power.

 

[VCheng]

^^^ Not only all of that, but witness the level of delusion that some insist upon forcing on others on PDF as well; it indicates that not only are the leaders at fault, but the followers too, for not seeing the daylight even when it shines in their faces bright and clear.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

The problem is the quality of education not only of the masses but the so called elite. When I was growing up, there were tons of book shops selling brand new and used books all over the city. Today, it is a fraction of what it used to be. This shows our lack of pursuit of serious study. BTW, before anyone jumps in the internet, there are only 3.0 million broadband connections in this country of 180 million souls with 65% of them below the age of 25!!! The computer penetration in roughly 3.4 million machines, with an import of roughly 60K laptops/motherboards per year.

Furthermore, most of the internet is filled with garbage and misreported ""Facts” that a lot of us swear by it. This lack of serious research is killing us. The same is the case with libraries – dwindling with no recharge of new book or periodicals. There is no central depositary of journals or collaboration with any outside the country library system. This is the case in most of our professional education systems except for some institutions like AKUH, LUMS, IBA, NUST etc. The rest is joke.

Our education system does not encourage free thinking but forces and average Pakistani to learn by rote. The substandard syllabus has also not helped.

The end result; Intellectually corrupt leaders, leading a barely educated, thought controlled, horde of young, highly charged individuals, holding degrees by tons -- mix in the heady mixture of religious fundamentalism and lo and behold -- all reasonable discussion is off the table.

If this is not enough, sprinkle some nightly “Yellow Journalism” on thirty odd channels anchored by barely literate, (Most of the time) schooled by a particular religious/politico party in their teens with a distinct anti west bias.

Therefore, the national past time is to blame everyone else for our evils, contemplate jihad/jang to rid us of all evil with anyone willing to take us on. And if we have to nuke the mto get rid of the m, so be it!!!

Now we know why our elders used to harp on the lack (Lake, today;-)) of education and falling standards back in the mid 70's. We are witnessing the harvest , today.

These might not be very popular comments and I might get a lot of PM's but I had to write what I had to write -- the truth as I see it.

We need to concentrate on education, real eduction and not the one we are imparting our children.

 

[VCheng]

I wholeheartedly agree: the key is education, education, education.

BTW, this eloquent paragraph could be written about PDF too, as a microcosm of Pakistani society.

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The end result; Intellectually corrupt leaders, leading a barely educated, thought controlled, horde of young, highly charged individuals, holding degrees by tons -- mix in the heady mixture of religious fundamentalism and lo and behold -- all reasonable discussion is off the table.............................

We need to concentrate on education, real eduction and not the one we are imparting our children.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

VCheng;

We all can differ in our opinions and we should all agree to respect that. There are good and bad in all groups of people. Pakistanis are not a bad lot but a misled lot. Fundamentally, they are one of the friendliest and caring people but highly, emotionally charged. This is expected of a young nation.

It is the duty of people like us to engage with them and try to get them to see the light of the day instead of ridiculing their lack of understanding.

Education and continued engagement is the trick my firend.;-)