Pakistan Army Aviation Corps - Updated

[Scorpiooo]

Probably the first guy to find out Pakistan can only afford 10 tanks from its available cash resources.

Hope one day someone will otherwise just external credit and import of defense equipment will continue, ....poor output of HIT, POF etc will continue like that and pockets of few individuals will continue to grow

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Moon]

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Can't we reverse engineer these with off the shelf parts :/ (sourcing Chinese engines and avionics, or even better, building a few simple, yet critical parts within the country?)
These things are ancient, even Iranians are reverse engineering them. I don't think the US cares about these.

 

[mingle]

Can't we reverse engineer these with off the shelf parts :/ (sourcing Chinese engines and avionics, or even better, building a few simple, yet critical parts within the country?)
These things are ancient, even Iranians are reverse engineering them. I don't think the US cares about these.

It's scrap too old technology

 

[Moon]

It's scrap too old technology

Replace old technology with newer one when making these

 

[Zarvan]

PAF/PAA can adopt something similar to Air Tractor AT-802, for such use, if saving flyaway cost is the issue

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Drones are the best solution for counter insurgency. Although these could also do some job.

@PanzerKiel Sir which helicopter is being seen as main future transport helicopter of Pakistan. Any chance of new Chinese Z-20 and Z-8 being tested and evaluated.

 

[Moon]

Drones are the best solution for counter insurgency. Although these could also do some job.

@PanzerKiel Sir which helicopter is being seen as main future transport helicopter of Pakistan. Any chance of new Chinese Z-20 and Z-8 being tested and evaluated.

Drones are good for surveillance, but dropping expensive PGMs on everyother target is going to be expensive.
Using drones for ISR and vectoring something like a Super Tucano or Air Tractor, that is more manoeuvrable than a drone, faster and cheaper than a helicopter and can make use of unguided munitions more effectively is a better strategy.

 

[araz]

Drones are good for surveillance, but dropping expensive PGMs on everyother target is going to be expensive.
Using drones for ISR and vectoring something like a Super Tucano or Air Tractor, that is more manoeuvrable than a drone, faster and cheaper than a helicopter and can make use of unguided munitions more effectively is a better strategy.

A few super Mashaqs can be configured for that. It is light weight propeller driven and good for dumb bombs of small diameter.. However I agree we should provide some sort of area wide surveillance. I thought along the lines of much smaller drones just for area wide surveillance a couple of miles ahead controlled by convoys themselves. You would need IRST in them for night operations.
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[Abid123]

Pakistan needs atleast 100 modern Attack Helicopters. We have 30 T-129 ATAK on order. We also have 5 Mil-24/35 in service. The remaining 65 should be either the
chinese Z-10 or russian KA-52 alligator. Or maybe a combination of both.

 

[Rank]

Can't we reverse engineer these with off the shelf parts :/ (sourcing Chinese engines and avionics, or even better, building a few simple, yet critical parts within the country?)
These things are ancient, even Iranians are reverse engineering them. I don't think the US cares about these.

You must have similar tech, brain, and strong R&D to reverse technology. Our country is ZERO in R&D and tech. Reverse engineering is not an easy task. Iranians are under sanctioned, they have the best engineering minds and strong R&D depts (in both civil n mil) whereas we are good in bootstrapping.

 

[Moon]

You must have similar tech, brain, and strong R&D to reverse technology. Our country is ZERO in R&D and tech. Reverse engineering is not an easy task. Iranians are under sanctioned, they have the best engineering minds and strong R&D depts (in both civil n mil) whereas we are good in bootstrapping.

What if a Pressler 2.0 happens? What will we do then?
We need to develop these capabilities. For better or worse .

 

[Scorpiooo]

Drones are the best solution for counter insurgency. Although these could also do some job.

@PanzerKiel Sir which helicopter is being seen as main future transport helicopter of Pakistan. Any chance of new Chinese Z-20 and Z-8 being tested and evaluated.

Pakistan Military forces all 3 seems more interested and serious about AW option (Augusta Westland) then Chinese for all type of helicopters roles. they have very good working relationships with Leonardo

Drones are good for surveillance, but dropping expensive PGMs on everyother target is going to be expensive.
Using drones for ISR and vectoring something like a Super Tucano or Air Tractor, that is more manoeuvrable than a drone, faster and cheaper than a helicopter and can make use of unguided munitions more effectively is a better strategy.

Actually drone are future and good solution and must be adopted, but they can not solve all the problems as we still need attack helis or turboprop attach aircraft in some senario where human expertise and quick responses is required as per situations

 

[Scorpiooo]

A few super Mashaqs can be configured for that. It is light weight propeller driven and good for dumb bombs of small diameter..

Yes Supar Mashaq are good and ecnomical solutions but PAC need to enhance it with powerful engine and stronger wing to have more hardpoint and load capacity (some new stronge variant), then they will work very well in this role and even can be exported for such role as well

 

[araz]

Yes Supar Mashaq are good and ecnomical solutions but PAC need to enhance it with powerful engine and stronger wing to have more hardpoint and load capacity (some new stronge variant), then they will work very well in this role and even can be exported for such role as well

Look at the role you are envisaging. CT against a small group of adversaries. The small dia bombs will be 25/50kgs. You dont need anything more than an IRST and 2/4 bombs at the most. Current capabilities allow that to happen and maybe minor adjustments could be required.
What I want to say is existing force needs more effective use. So target acquisition via MALE drones which lase the target and SM(!Not Shah Mehmood Qureshi although throwing him down on insurgents will cause even more comprehensive damage) to drop bombs at the lased target. Or assign the task to one drone.
Does anyone have any idea of the cost of drone operations per hour?
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[air marshal]