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[Cool_Soldier]

I am hoping from the day first that some way out will come eventually.
Inshaa Allah issue will be resolved.

 

[araz]

Looks like deal will go through with US engines IA great news.i Beleive vipers are also on the way home soon.PAA if engine approves should get at least 30 more copies along more cobras.

Knowing the US they might just embargo the engines so it kills off the Turkish aviation industry's reputation. It kills off any competition for a product that they supply. At the end of the day it is a question of what they stand to gain and lose by scuppering the deal.
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[khanasifm]

Industry

Singapore Airshow 2020: Turkish Aerospace looks to secure T129 export approvals

Jon Grevatt, Singapore - Jane's Defence Weekly

11 February 2020


TAI is aiming to secure US approval to export its T129 ATAK multirole combat helicopter (pictured) to Pakistan. Source: TAI

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) is confident that it will soon acquire the necessary approvals from the United States to support the sale of the company's T129 ATAK multirole combat helicopter to Pakistan.

A company spokesperson told Jane's at the Singapore Airshow on 11 February that the required permits could be approved within the next two months given what he said was "increasingly good communication" between the Turkish and US governments.

In July 2018 Turkey confirmed that it had signed an agreement with the government of Pakistan to supply 30 T129 helicopters, which are powered by US-made LHTEC CTS800-4A turboshaft engines, for the Pakistan Army's aviation corps.

The deal, believed to be worth about USD1.5 billion, was touted by the Presidency of the Republic of Turkey Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSB) as "the largest single export in the history of the Turkish defence industry".

However, after the contract was signed diplomatic relations between the US and Turkey deteriorated following Ankara's decision to procure the S-400 Triumf air-defence system from Russia. The TAI spokesperson said that diplomatic relations between the US and Turkey are now improving and that the delay in supplying the T129 platforms will soon be resolved.

In addition to Pakistan, the TAI spokesperson said that the company is bidding for a requirement for attack helicopters in the Philippines. In 2017 the Philippine Department of National Defense (DND) said it would procure up to 24 attack helicopters for the Philippine Air Force (PAF) before the end of 2022. The procurement is likely to require loans from suppliers.

In November 2018 the DND confirmed to Jane's that a procurement team set up by the PAF had identified the T129 platform to fulfill its attack helicopter capability demands.

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It’s not just initial release but sustainment for the life of weapons system is in question ???

So the question is what is the guarantee for the future ??

 

[Zephyrus]

Pakistan Army Aviation's Fennecs

 

[GriffinsRule]

While this article mentions PAF, it pertains just as much to PA and its aviation assets when serving in the UN missions in Africa and elsewhere. Pakistanis always are at the forefront of professionalism and valor. Here is an excrept from AFM's article on Africa's war in Central African Republic (CAR) by Al J Venter. Enjoy

There are several dozen nations involved in the CAR alone, making for an uneven mix of both motivation and commitment in a war that has claimed almost 100 UN lives since the Multidimensional Integrated Stabilization Mission in the Central African Republic (MINUSCA) was launched in 2014.

A pair of Mi-24 Hind helicopters came from the Senegalese Air Force, while two Mi-17 Hips were Pakistani. But, as I was to discover, there are serious differences of opinion among senior members of ground elements deployed as to their efficacy.

A constant criticism made by Portuguese troops in the field is that when contact with hostile elements is made, the Senegalese Hinds – whose single most important purpose in the war (apart from offering additional sets of eyes from on-high) is to provide air support for UN forces fighting on the ground – invariably hover over the action at about 4,000ft (1,219m) above ground level. “This is an impossible situation in terrain more often than not densely foliaged jungle,” said one senior observer.

As that officer, who had solid airborne and support experience in both Afghanistan and Mali, told AFM: “At that kind of altitude they can see nothing of what is going on below, and certainly they are not able to distinguish friend from foe.”

More disturbing, he intimated, those aircrews have consistently ignored entreaties to operate at lower, more practical levels. He explained that it was not a recent problem, but had been going on from the start of Senegalese involvement in MINUSCA.

In contrast, Pakistan Air Force personnel with their Mi-17s are a good deal more professional in operational roles. The commander of the Hip involved in last September’s onslaught was a full colonel and had seen good action in several theatres of military activity.

When one of the Senegalese Mi-24s was lost during the author’s CAR visit, his Hip was then tasked to take over responsibility for air cover during the course of the rest of the nine-day operation in the northeast and went on to make an extremely valuable counterinsurgent contribution, he declared. “Their side-gunners with their GPMGs [general purpose machine guns] consistently kept enemy heads down… most times they were firing at the enemy from heights sometimes barely above the tallest forest,” the officer explained.

 

[Sunny4pak]

MI-35M | Pak Army Aviation

 

[JPMM]

While this article mentions PAF, it pertains just as much to PA and its aviation assets when serving in the UN missions in Africa and elsewhere. Pakistanis always are at the forefront of professionalism and valor. Here is an excrept from AFM's article on Africa's war in Central African Republic (CAR) by Al J Venter. Enjoy

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There are several dozen nations involved in the CAR alone, making for an uneven mix of both motivation and commitment in a war that has claimed almost 100 UN lives since the Multidimensional Integrated Stabilization Mission in the Central African Republic (MINUSCA) was launched in 2014.

A pair of Mi-24 Hind helicopters came from the Senegalese Air Force, while two Mi-17 Hips were Pakistani. But, as I was to discover, there are serious differences of opinion among senior members of ground elements deployed as to their efficacy.

A constant criticism made by Portuguese troops in the field is that when contact with hostile elements is made, the Senegalese Hinds – whose single most important purpose in the war (apart from offering additional sets of eyes from on-high) is to provide air support for UN forces fighting on the ground – invariably hover over the action at about 4,000ft (1,219m) above ground level. “This is an impossible situation in terrain more often than not densely foliaged jungle,” said one senior observer.

As that officer, who had solid airborne and support experience in both Afghanistan and Mali, told AFM: “At that kind of altitude they can see nothing of what is going on below, and certainly they are not able to distinguish friend from foe.”

More disturbing, he intimated, those aircrews have consistently ignored entreaties to operate at lower, more practical levels. He explained that it was not a recent problem, but had been going on from the start of Senegalese involvement in MINUSCA.

In contrast, Pakistan Air Force personnel with their Mi-17s are a good deal more professional in operational roles. The commander of the Hip involved in last September’s onslaught was a full colonel and had seen good action in several theatres of military activity.

When one of the Senegalese Mi-24s was lost during the author’s CAR visit, his Hip was then tasked to take over responsibility for air cover during the course of the rest of the nine-day operation in the northeast and went on to make an extremely valuable counterinsurgent contribution, he declared. “Their side-gunners with their GPMGs [general purpose machine guns] consistently kept enemy heads down… most times they were firing at the enemy from heights sometimes barely above the tallest forest,” the officer explained.

Yes, we are firing directly from your Mi-17 doors with LMGs and Sniper rifles. They have adapted a "bar" on the door were we lay the weapons. But there are allready actions were your choppers were hit and had to came back to base.

Thanks

 

[JPMM]

Minute 3.55 Pak Heli

Minute 0.41 door mounted MGs

 

[Signalian]

MI-35M | Pak Army Aviation

Flying IFV/APC.

 

[Sunny4pak]

Flying IFV/APC.

Hmmmmm, will include this too;
Dear, it is known to be a flying tank not designated by me though.

 

[nomi007]

 

[BHarwana]

Z-10 are coming

 

[mingle]

Z-10 are coming

How many units?? Or for trials???

 

[BHarwana]

How many units?? Or for trials???

Don't know full details but we are again interested in them.

 

[mingle]

Don't know full details but we are again interested in them.

Yeh I read that article its ME varient with new updates but I am sure US will release both engine for T129 and Zulus to Pak but Pak should induct ME too as agument with other two varients a strong 100plus Gunship fleet would be nice