Pakistan Army Aviation Corps - Updated

[araz]

The Iranians had an interest in this...they were themselves fighting a Bloch insurgency in their part of Sistan wa Balochistan at that time.

So no "Brotherly" support just converging interests!!

And yet we cannot look past brotherly relations and sisterly felicitations!!! We need to understand that the modern day Governance is one of converging and diverging national interests and friendships based on them. If you want ot see Iranian reaction try starting drilling in the Baluchistan Iran border and see how friendly the mullahs will be to you.
the real question then is what should be done when our Prophet SAW has taught us that there is a Muslim brotherhood which must be hnoured?
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[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

And yet we cannot look past brotherly relations and sisterly felicitations!!! We need to understand that the modern day Governance is one of converging and diverging national interests and friendships based on them. If you want ot see Iranian reaction try starting drilling in the Baluchistan Iran border and see how friendly the mullahs will be to you.
the real question then is what should be done when our Prophet SAW has taught us that there is a Muslim brotherhood which must be hnoured?
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Just a side-point, but brotherhood in that sense was doable when there was one state. Otherwise it was interstate war (Ottomans/Safavid), provincial turf fights (e.g. X warlord running over Y warlord), or enforced consolidation (e.g. Mughals).

I mean, we're quite shaky already given the provincial gaps in Pakistan, so the idea that each Muslim state has divergent interests isn't at all surprising. The one time there was semblence of unity (quasi unity) was when someone forced it (e.g. Nasser) or threw money at it (Faisal).

Unlike Europe we lack power centers like Germany to take lead and arm twist out of line states.

 

[niaz]

We already know that the largest gas field in the world lies across the Qatar/Iran economic zones in the Gulf and is shared between the two countries. To the best of my info, no border dispute exists between Pakistan & Iran. Therefore as long as we remain within Pakistani territorial land & sea zone limits, I for one don’t see any problems with Iran or the Mullahs.

On the contrary, since all the Iranian known hydrocarbon discoveries are located far away from the Pakistan /Iran border; if we do fight hydrocarbon structure near Iran border, Iranian would be happy because the probability of finding hydrocarbon-bearing structures on their side would also increase.

 

[HRK]

 

[TOPGUN]

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HRK, thanks so much for sharing so PA does have 3 Vipers helis from what I understand ?

 

[HRK]

HRK, thanks so much for sharing so PA does have 3 Vipers helis from what I understand ?

this is what they are reporting and its surprising

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IDEAS 2018 Special - ROKETSAN Ready to Deliver Pakistan's ATAK Helicopters
(source)
February 11, 2019

The news in the IDEAS 2018 Special File in the 171th issue of MSI is shared on the magazine's website:

These two missile systems were the main focus of IDEAS 2018, which provided UMTAS and CIRIT missiles and the attacker power of ATAK helicopter. Pakistan's ATAK helicopter order includes the supply of UMTAS laser-guided version L-UMTAS.

ROKETSAN Market Development and Promotion Director Hüdai Özdamar said about the agenda of Pakistan: yan In addition to the negotiations within the scope of ATAK, we are discussing both with Pakistan Land Forces and with long-range and medium-range anti-tank missile systems. Our contacts on medium-range anti-tank missiles have reached a serious level. In Turkey, we have made some tests in accordance with procurement processes and Pakistan, some tests will be done in Pakistan. We are talking about the details of these tests and are planning to perform in 2019. Another issue is the reactive armor of tanks in Pakistan's inventory. Our discussions on this issue also came to a certain stage. Again, we did some tests in Turkey. We will do tests in Pakistan. Pakistan

Özdamar also shared his impressions about the fair: izlenim We had high level visitors, including decision makers. These are not just courtesy visits; indeed, the details of the projects were discussed in the form of meetings. It has been one of the most productive fairs we have experienced recently. How the projects should be handled, details, how to proceed, were discussed at the highest level. We hope that there will be very positive developments in the Pakistan front next year.

 

[TOPGUN]

this is what they are reporting and its surprising

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IDEAS 2018 Special - ROKETSAN Ready to Deliver Pakistan's ATAK Helicopters
(source)
February 11, 2019

The news in the IDEAS 2018 Special File in the 171th issue of MSI is shared on the magazine's website:
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These two missile systems were the main focus of IDEAS 2018, which provided UMTAS and CIRIT missiles and the attacker power of ATAK helicopter. Pakistan's ATAK helicopter order includes the supply of UMTAS laser-guided version L-UMTAS.

ROKETSAN Market Development and Promotion Director Hüdai Özdamar said about the agenda of Pakistan: yan In addition to the negotiations within the scope of ATAK, we are discussing both with Pakistan Land Forces and with long-range and medium-range anti-tank missile systems. Our contacts on medium-range anti-tank missiles have reached a serious level. In Turkey, we have made some tests in accordance with procurement processes and Pakistan, some tests will be done in Pakistan. We are talking about the details of these tests and are planning to perform in 2019. Another issue is the reactive armor of tanks in Pakistan's inventory. Our discussions on this issue also came to a certain stage. Again, we did some tests in Turkey. We will do tests in Pakistan. Pakistan

Özdamar also shared his impressions about the fair: izlenim We had high level visitors, including decision makers. These are not just courtesy visits; indeed, the details of the projects were discussed in the form of meetings. It has been one of the most productive fairs we have experienced recently. How the projects should be handled, details, how to proceed, were discussed at the highest level. We hope that there will be very positive developments in the Pakistan front next year.

Interesting, if true how these 3 birds are kept under wraps as of now.

 

[HRK]

Interesting, if true how these 3 birds are kept under wraps as of now.

might be they are still not in Pakistan, like handed over to Pakistani official in US but delivery is still in pending .... this was previously reported by one of the member of the forum (NOTE: forgetting his name, I think he was Oscar and then one US member (professional by title) also reported the same from his source)

 

[GriffinsRule]

The helicopters were handed over in Sept or Nov in FL or something. Its been reported in other publications and posted on the forum. They are in the US.

 

[Chimgathar]

Good to hear PAA has 3 vipers, but its a question mark about delivery of remaining vipers. So ATAK T-129 will be eventually the more dependable attack platform.
ROKETSAN also has a land variant of guided Anti tank missile it will be interesting if PA check this missile.

 

[fatman17]

HRK, thanks so much for sharing so PA does have 3 Vipers helis from what I understand ?

Nope delivery suspended

 

[Dazzler]

Nope delivery suspended

AMR claiming that 3 Zs delivered to PA.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Found it ...
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whit...er-problem-for-pa.545613/page-3#post-10292107

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Nope delivery suspended

Delivery is not suspended

 

[mdmm]

HRKPDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT-
Your great information shows like Pakistan will not receive nay helicopter fron Turkey and USA, due to US (indian friend) restrictions on Pakistan ??
Will it also effect helicopter purchase fron China??