Pakistan Army Aviation Corps - Updated

[Aamir Hussain]

salam Bro, my question was not about air defense it was in terms of heavy Attack helicopters comparable with apache for PA.

You feel that we need to take on a helo to helo combat scenario? That is not done therefore we do not need to go head to head on that with our next door.... Furthermore, recent deployment of Helos in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria has shown some weak areas of Attack Helos that can be exploited against Indian Attack Helos as well. Man Pads, even RPG's have been used effectively to inflict significant damage to them in combat.

Attack Helos are primarily used to clear the way for an armored thrust or blunt an armored attack other than their use in COIN Ops. Our terrain is almost flat in tank-able areas of Central Punjab and Desert Areas Cholistan and Thar. Very little cover available against man pads and RPG elements.

PA will face the same challenge against India if they employ their small Attack Helo force in this way.

 

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Pakistan army aviation Mi17 giving a lift to AH1 Cobra gunship.

 

[Human One]

Hi,

Certain models of helicopter gunships have air to air missile launch capability.

On the american Apache---a stinger can be loaded on that can be used against another helicopter, aircraft or other flying object like a drone.

That's good. It's like the AIM-92 Stinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-92_Stinger for use on helicopters and UAVs.

According to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_AH-1Z_Viper AH-1Zs can be armed with 2 AIM-9 Sidewinders.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Air to air helicopter attack against other aircraft would be a norm in the next 5 plus years.

Certain models of the Apache are capable of launching the stinger air to air missile as well as the AIM9---. The AIM9 is a serious problem for fixed wined aircraft because it has a range of around 20 miles---.

The air to air missile option is not available to all buyers of the Apache.

The other aircraft in this category are the russian Ka 52 and the Mi 28 but their air to air missile range is much shorter---.

As this option is not too old---so the actual usage of this capability would take its sweet time.

The RPG's have proven deadly during the 2nd Iraq war and before that in Somalia---launched from close proximity at helicopter hovering about the ground or above buildings---they have been taken out by the RPG's by targeting the TAIL ROTOR---the achilles heal of the helicopter---.

The Ka52 does not have a tail rotor---.

 

[Human One]

Hi,

Air to air helicopter attack against other aircraft would be a norm in the next 5 plus years.

Not only in the future, it already happened in the Iran Iraq war. Here's a quote from wikipedia:

Starting from October 1980, the AH-1Js engaged in air-to-air combat with Iraqi Mil Mi-24 helicopters on several, separate occasions during the Iran–Iraq War. The results of these engagements are disputed. One document cited that Iranian AH-1Js took on Iraqi Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters.

Read the rest here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_AH-1_SuperCobra#Iran

 

[MastanKhan]

That's good. It's like the AIM-92 Stinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-92_Stinger for use on helicopters and UAVs.

According to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_AH-1Z_Viper AH-1Zs can be armed with 2 AIM-9 Sidewinders.

Hi,

Thanks for your comments---but these kills were thru the helicopter canon---and no air to air missiles were used---.

So---they don't fall into the category that I mentioned---.

 

[fatman17]

Just a nice picture

 

[fatman17]

Top Cover

 

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Repost from Op Rah-e-Nijat.

 

[Human One]

Hi,

Thanks for your comments---but these kills were thru the helicopter canon---and no air to air missiles were used---.

So---they don't fall into the category that I mentioned---.

Good points. Maybe helicopter cannons could be aimed with radars? Air to missiles would be a better weapon.

 

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[khanasifm]

In fata mostly you see ah-1 with twin tow launchers and 7 shot rocket pods may be not to Heavey load it which may impact it’s Ceiling, which was identified as one of the short coming of older ah-1s

 

[JPMM]

I
In the link below, there is a foto of a gunner in the dor of a Mi17 identified as Pak Army in RCA (Central Africa Republic) can someone check if its true, and confirm the use of this MGs on the doors of your Mi17
http://www.operacional.pt/forca-portuguesa-na-republica-centro-africana
Thanks